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    Curious question. If Wheeling (Jesuit) did drop Lacrosse, why did the G-MAC website only change the school's name instead of completely removing it in the [ASSOC. MEMBERS] dropdown menu?

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    Man what a hard arse, WJU must have given you a 'we don't need you slip' somewhere down the line...
    LOL...no one WANTS to go to that crap school. It's kind of a last resort type of place. Good riddance to them. Even better watching them die a slow death. Makes it more enjoyable.

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    Gosh this is awesome. MEC should kick them to the curb and watch them wither away. This makes me so happy to see this.

    Would be awesome if West Liberty could find a way to acquire the buildings/campus and officially take it over.
    Maybe not just yet...
    https://www.wtrf.com/local/breaking-...tter_WTRF7News

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    There are waaay to many 4 year colleges and universities in the state of WV. Anywhere between 4-6 of them either should merge or shut down completely. It will never happen but a state with a population of 1.8 million people does not need 17 colleges or universities plus many JR College and Community Colleges. Im all for educating as many people as possible but Ive also seen this as a sticky situation for at least 30 years now. Ive never understood how WJU now just WU I guess, Davis and Elkins, Ohio Valley, Bethany, Salem and Alderson Broaddus make ends meet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGlasses View Post
    There are waaay to many 4 year colleges and universities in the state of WV. Anywhere between 4-6 of them either should merge or shut down completely. It will never happen but a state with a population of 1.8 million people does not need 17 colleges or universities plus many JR College and Community Colleges. Im all for educating as many people as possible but Ive also seen this as a sticky situation for at least 30 years now. Ive never understood how WJU now just WU I guess, Davis and Elkins, Ohio Valley, Bethany, Salem and Alderson Broaddus make ends meet.
    One time I compared state population to D2 schools because an argument from the east towards the midwest schools was that they were "the only game in town." I can't remember the criteria, but there really weren't big differences between Pennsylvania and say North Dakota in terms of the college to general population ratio. California had it the easiest. It was something like a one-to-10 million ratio or something like that. West Virginia had the toughest. It was one-to-30,000. I can't remember the exact number for California, but even if it was just one million, that shows how tough it is for West Virginia football playing schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGlasses View Post
    There are waaay to many 4 year colleges and universities in the state of WV. Anywhere between 4-6 of them either should merge or shut down completely. It will never happen but a state with a population of 1.8 million people does not need 17 colleges or universities plus many JR College and Community Colleges. Im all for educating as many people as possible but Ive also seen this as a sticky situation for at least 30 years now. Ive never understood how WJU now just WU I guess, Davis and Elkins, Ohio Valley, Bethany, Salem and Alderson Broaddus make ends meet.
    Applies to everywhere. Too many drug stores in a community, enough shut down to right size the demand. Too many colleges in a state, do whatever it takes to keep them all afloat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    One time I compared state population to D2 schools because an argument from the east towards the midwest schools was that they were "the only game in town." I can't remember the criteria, but there really weren't big differences between Pennsylvania and say North Dakota in terms of the college to general population ratio. California had it the easiest. It was something like a one-to-10 million ratio or something like that. West Virginia had the toughest. It was one-to-30,000. I can't remember the exact number for California, but even if it was just one million, that shows how tough it is for West Virginia football playing schools.
    What about traditional college age citizens? West Virginia and Pennsylvania are among states with the highest average age. So although the general population ratios may be the same as other states, traditional college age students i.e. football players, are not as available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horror Child View Post
    What about traditional college age citizens? West Virginia and Pennsylvania are among states with the highest average age. So although the general population ratios may be the same as other states, traditional college age students i.e. football players, are not as available.
    It didn't get that detailed because that type of information was not easily found on the internet at the time. There were several other factors which I think were important that not evaluated. It was just a general look into it.

    If that's true about WV, then it's even ridiculously more difficult for them to compete against other schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    It didn't get that detailed because that type of information was not easily found on the internet at the time. There were several other factors which I think were important that not evaluated. It was just a general look into it.

    If that's true about WV, then it's even ridiculously more difficult for them to compete against other schools.
    It is odd but WV is kind of an odd state. It does have a lot of colleges for all the bigger it is. Add to it the panhandle is essentially in Western PA and Ohio. The PA schools take a lot of WV, too.

    And, to the point above, nobody familiar with the mess at Wheeling would probably want to go there -- and, it's likely getting major buzz in the media down there.

    It is still baffling to think back just a couple years when Wheeling Jesuit had a powerhouse going in men's basketball -- big crowds, etc. Fast forward a couple years and it's just shocking to see. Granted, I'm sure the insiders knew this was coming, but from afar it seemed like the place was starting to rock-n-roll.

    Hard to say what will happen. Wheeling is a nice little town. Hopefully they stay afloat.


    WJ still had the best t-shirts ever (referencing their West Liberty neighbors) ... "Shut the Hill UP"

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    It is odd but WV is kind of an odd state. It does have a lot of colleges for all the bigger it is. Add to it the panhandle is essentially in Western PA and Ohio. The PA schools take a lot of WV, too.
    I would have thought that the school that is closest to WV, CAL, would be representative of that but checking the '18 roster there were zero from the state. This year's list will have at least 2 from the Linsly school, but even one of those is from Canonsburg. Oddly the Mountain State is an amazing source of talent for WBB so it may have something to do with the talent pool in football versus other sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    It didn't get that detailed because that type of information was not easily found on the internet at the time. There were several other factors which I think were important that not evaluated. It was just a general look into it.

    If that's true about WV, then it's even ridiculously more difficult for them to compete against other schools.
    I would note that outside of WVU and Marshal, WV colleges are pretty small when compared to schools in other nearby states. Wonder what the comparison is between WV and PA when you calculate number of college "seats?"

    Here's some wild swings at math. This is from a number of disperate sources and there is the real chance of errors...but as a general order of magnitude comparison, I think it's pretty accurate:

    Total populations:

    WV: 1,815, 857
    PA: 12,805,537

    Number of Public and Private Not For Profit Colleges and Universities (minus the "big" D1 schools like Penn State, WVU, Pitt, Marshall and Temple):

    WV: 26
    PA: 63

    Percentage of population that is "college age":

    WV: 12%
    PA: 13%

    Theoretical max number of college age students:

    WV: 21,790
    PA: 166, 471

    Population per college:

    WV: 838
    PA: 2642
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    As I said...a long and slow death. Can't believe the Diocese was silly enough to give them another $2 million just to stay open this year.

    This is seriously awesome. Basketball team also under investigation. #EPIC

    How much do you think West Liberty will be able to buy the campus for?

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    BB team under investigation stems from the Sancomb "issues" that got him fired.

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    If it weren't for the $2M bailout (again) from the Diocese, it looks like Wheeling wouldn't have been able to open their doors for the Fall of THIS year! So, unless something big happens, it really looks like the MEC is about to lose a school. Who is in line to replace them? Obvious choice would be AB, but they are on double secret probation as well. Pikeville (Do they want to make the jump)? Georgetown (See Pikeville)? Bluefield State (rumor is they are bringing back football with their new dorm)? Bowie State (if you can talk them into leaving CIAA)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D2 Sports Fan View Post
    If it weren't for the $2M bailout (again) from the Diocese, it looks like Wheeling wouldn't have been able to open their doors for the Fall of THIS year! So, unless something big happens, it really looks like the MEC is about to lose a school. Who is in line to replace them? Obvious choice would be AB, but they are on double secret probation as well. Pikeville (Do they want to make the jump)? Georgetown (See Pikeville)? Bluefield State (rumor is they are bringing back football with their new dorm)? Bowie State (if you can talk them into leaving CIAA)?
    Uhhh the CLOSEST MEC school to BSU is D&E at 216 miles so I'm going to say no way, no how !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CALUPA69 View Post
    Uhhh the CLOSEST MEC school to BSU is D&E at 216 miles so I'm going to say no way, no how !!!
    BSU as in Bowie State is 150 from Frostburg
    BSU as in Bluefield State (VA) is 105 from UC

    As for Bluefield State (WV) starting a football program, I haven't seen anything even hinting about that beyond what was just posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    BSU as in Bowie State is 150 from Frostburg
    BSU as in Bluefield State (VA) is 105 from UC

    As for Bluefield State (WV) starting a football program, I haven't seen anything even hinting about that beyond what was just posted.
    I was thinking of BOWIE STATE and you're correct about FSU, but the principle is the same. Just not realistic for them to leave the CIAA.
    Please take SHU back. They have slightly more football potential than WU.

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