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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony33 View Post
    Let me also say this, back in the day we used our fists to solve problems. Now, the problem solver is the of guns. I'm not a gun owner, but at times I feel that I need to own one just for self-defense. But this problem is much deeper that just weapons, if you ask any young man that is carrying a weapon why? They'll probably say "for self-defense, shoot or be shot". That's the mentality we are dealing with today, and until that changes this will never end.
    I am going to have to disagree here a little. Go to the majority of neighborhoods and if tensions rise to a level of physical violence, it is still handled with fist (or body since MMA changed fighting). Yes there are A Holes who first instinct is to grab a gun, but they are in the extreme minority. I carry a gun and it is a true last resort. I am not going to ruin my life over stupidity nor will most people. Again most gun violence is centered on the drug trade. There are a few crimes of passion here and there, a few mentally ill people causing great destruction, but the majority of gun violence is the drug trade. Maybe we should just legalize drugs. Makeing it illegal is not stopping people from abusing and all it is causing is crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart View Post
    The majority of deaths by guns are suicides, not mass shootings or gang/drug dealing violence.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...icides/578812/
    That may be true, Bart. But more to the original point of this thread check out these sobering statistics from the NAACP (link below). Somebody mentioned the opioid crisis and all the attention that it is getting but this problem receives little, if any, attention. We seem to categorize it as self-inflicted like the suicides you refer to. But, hey, lives are lives, right?

    "Gun violence is of a major concern to our nation, and especially to the communities served and represented by the NAACP. Curbing that violence, at every opportunity, is a major goal. Roughly 50% of gun-related deaths in our country in 2015 were African American men, despite the fact that we make up just 6% of the U.S. population. The leading cause of death among African American teens, ages 15 to 19 in 2008 and 2009 was gun-related homicide. African American children and teens were less than 15% of the total child population in 2008 and 2009 but accounted for 45% of all child- and teen-related gun deaths."


    https://www.naacp.org/latest/preventing-gun-violence/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikefln View Post
    Not trying to be a wise ass and others may feel different but I feel the means that someone commits suicide is irrelevant. A person who is hell bent on self destruction will self destruct no matter what they need to do. It is sad that people get to this point, and I wish there was more that was being done, but this issue is not a gun violence issue, it is a mental illness issue.
    Yes it is a mental health issue, but having guns readily available makes self-destruction that much easier. Police die by their own hands, much more than by the hands of criminals; the reason is they have a gun on their hip that can be used to kill themselves. Some mental health professionals state that gun violence, especially in the inner city, is the result of PTSD among the youth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iupgroundhog View Post
    That may be true, Bart. But more to the original point of this thread check out these sobering statistics from the NAACP (link below). Somebody mentioned the opioid crisis and all the attention that it is getting but this problem receives little, if any, attention. We seem to categorize it as self-inflicted like the suicides you refer to. But, hey, lives are lives, right?

    "Gun violence is of a major concern to our nation, and especially to the communities served and represented by the NAACP. Curbing that violence, at every opportunity, is a major goal. Roughly 50% of gun-related deaths in our country in 2015 were African American men, despite the fact that we make up just 6% of the U.S. population. The leading cause of death among African American teens, ages 15 to 19 in 2008 and 2009 was gun-related homicide. African American children and teens were less than 15% of the total child population in 2008 and 2009 but accounted for 45% of all child- and teen-related gun deaths."

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    All true. Suicide also doesn't receive much attention. The Vietnam War had roughly 58,000 American deaths from combat and non-combat combined. Americans commit suicide at the rate of around 30,000 a year (not all by guns). Homicides occur at about 15,000 a year (not all by guns). Yet the news doesn't address suicide, but will break in for shootings to paint a dire picture of city life and scare people into anti-gun laws.

    As for African-Americans, the suicide rate for teens is rising. We all have a better chance of killing ourselves, than being killed by another. It only takes one phone call with tragic news to send someone into a downward spiral, leading to depression. Depression can kill. The highest suicide rate is among old white men, so just a warning for most of the posters on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart View Post
    All true. Suicide also doesn't receive much attention. The Vietnam War had roughly 58,000 American deaths from combat and non-combat combined. Americans commit suicide at the rate of around 30,000 a year (not all by guns). Homicides occur at about 15,000 a year (not all by guns). Yet the news doesn't address suicide, but will break in for shootings to paint a dire picture of city life and scare people into anti-gun laws.

    As for African-Americans, the suicide rate for teens is rising. We all have a better chance of killing ourselves, than being killed by another. It only takes one phone call with tragic news to send someone into a downward spiral, leading to depression. Depression can kill. The highest suicide rate is among old white men, so just a warning for most of the posters on here.
    A few weeks ago I came across a very interesting account of a U.S. Marine recon team in May 1970. One of their members was killed and taken by a tiger as they bedded down for the evening in the jungle. The team did recover his body or whatever was left of it the next morning.

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