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    Fayetteville State University Chancellor James Anderson is stepping down from his position after 11 years for personal reasons.

    https://www.wral.com/fayetteville-st...down/18450014/

    This does not come as a surprise as FSU's recent enrollment trends have not been good. James Anderson rejected the successful NC Promise Tuition Program which would have really turned FSU's enrollment in a positive direction, in hindsight this turned out to be a bad decision on his part. He's also been in the news in reference to other controversial situations.

    Fayetteville State University is a public institution that was founded in 1867. It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 5,393, its setting is city, and the campus size is 156 acres. It utilizes a semester-based academic calendar. Fayetteville State University's ranking in the 2019 edition of Best Colleges is Regional Universities South, # 95. Its in-state tuition and fees are $4,915 (2018-19); out-of-state tuition and fees are $16,523 (2018-19).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    Fayetteville State University Chancellor James Anderson is stepping down from his position after 11 years for personal reasons.

    https://www.wral.com/fayetteville-st...down/18450014/

    This does not come as a surprise as FSU's recent enrollment trends have not been good. James Anderson rejected the successful NC Promise Tuition Program which would have really turned FSU's enrollment in a positive direction, in hindsight this turned out to be a bad decision on his part. He's also been in the news in reference to other controversial situations.

    Fayetteville State University is a public institution that was founded in 1867. It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 5,393, its setting is city, and the campus size is 156 acres. It utilizes a semester-based academic calendar. Fayetteville State University's ranking in the 2019 edition of Best Colleges is Regional Universities South, # 95. Its in-state tuition and fees are $4,915 (2018-19); out-of-state tuition and fees are $16,523 (2018-19).
    What has not been good about recent enrollment trends? We already discussed this on another thread. Total enrollment has continued to to rise since 2014 and is now over 6,300 students. Freshman enrollment was down a whole 52 students; however, roughly 68% of the 2018 entering class had HS gpas over 3.0 versus only roughly 55% of the 2017 entering class.

    I don't know about you but I'd take a minimal reduction in students for an increase in quality of students.

    Also, an 11 year term is actually a decent amount of time for modern day UNC system schools. He's had a longer tenure then their last 3 chancellors (not even counting the interim ones).

    Look at the flagship UNC, they haven't had a chancellor to hit double digits in tenure years since the 1950s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegalRam View Post
    What has not been good about recent enrollment trends? We already discussed this on another thread. Total enrollment has continued to to rise since 2014 and is now over 6,300 students. Freshman enrollment was down a whole 52 students; however, roughly 68% of the 2018 entering class had HS gpas over 3.0 versus only roughly 55% of the 2017 entering class.
    When James Anderson first started his duties as Chancellor of FSU back in 2008, their enrollment was very close to 6,700. It's now at 6,226 whch equals to a net loss of 7%. In the 11 years, we've seen 2 different trend projections at FSU, one a declined enrollment, the other a huge escalation in the chancellor's pay and benefits. This, while many of the student's facilities could really use updating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    When James Anderson first started his duties as Chancellor of FSU back in 2008, their enrollment was very close to 6,700. It's now at 6,226 whch equals to a net loss of 7%. In the 11 years, we've seen 2 different trend projections at FSU, one a declined enrollment, the other a huge escalation in the chancellor's pay and benefits. This, while many of the student's facilities could really use updating.
    In the Fall of 2008 FSU's enrollment was 6,217 and in the Fall of 2018 FSU's enrollment was 6,318. Let's not pretend the recession and reductions in pell grants didn't hurt HBCU enrollment numbers in general over the last decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegalRam View Post
    In the Fall of 2008 FSU's enrollment was 6,217 and in the Fall of 2018 FSU's enrollment was 6,318. Let's not pretend the recession and reductions in pell grants didn't hurt HBCU enrollment numbers in general over the last decade.
    https://www.collegetuitioncompare.co...nt-population/

    Student Population Changes of Fayetteville State University (2009-2018)

    Year Total Undergraduate Graduate
    Total Men Women Total Men Women
    2009-10 6,283 5,586 1,835 3,751 697 174 523
    2010-11 5,781 5,103 1,667 3,436 678 175 503
    2011-12 5,930 5,162 1,680 3,482 768 208 560
    2012-13 6,060 5,287 1,620 3,667 773 186 587
    2013-14 6,179 5,410 1,670 3,740 769 198 571
    2014-15 5,899 5,247 1,622 3,625 652 175 477
    2015-16 6,104 5,506 1,755 3,751 598 172 426
    2016-17 6,223 5,540 1,769 3,771 683 234 449
    2017-18 6,226 5,393 1,675 3,718 833 325 508
    Average 6,076 5,359 1,699 3,660 717 205 512

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    https://www.collegetuitioncompare.co...nt-population/

    Student Population Changes of Fayetteville State University (2009-2018)

    Year Total Undergraduate Graduate
    Total Men Women Total Men Women
    2009-10 6,283 5,586 1,835 3,751 697 174 523
    2010-11 5,781 5,103 1,667 3,436 678 175 503
    2011-12 5,930 5,162 1,680 3,482 768 208 560
    2012-13 6,060 5,287 1,620 3,667 773 186 587
    2013-14 6,179 5,410 1,670 3,740 769 198 571
    2014-15 5,899 5,247 1,622 3,625 652 175 477
    2015-16 6,104 5,506 1,755 3,751 598 172 426
    2016-17 6,223 5,540 1,769 3,771 683 234 449
    2017-18 6,226 5,393 1,675 3,718 833 325 508
    Average 6,076 5,359 1,699 3,660 717 205 512
    FALL 2018 - 6,318
    https://www.northcarolina.edu/news/2...s-and-graduate

    FALL 2008 - 6,217
    https://www.northcarolina.edu/sites/...eport_2008.pdf

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    So, on average FSU boosted their enrollment under Anderson's watch by 10 students per year.
    2 things that stands out most is ECSU's one year (2017 / 2018) growth of 19.6%, and WSSU's enrollment decline in past 10 years from a high of 6,442 down to around 5,190 (around -20%) I've seen it posted that the decline was done on purpose, but no verifiable documentation of that theory has been found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    So, on average FSU boosted their enrollment under Anderson's watch by 10 students per year.
    2 things that stands out most is ECSU's one year (2017 / 2018) growth of 19.6%, and WSSU's enrollment decline in past 10 years from a high of 6,442 down to around 5,190 (around -20%) I've seen it posted that the decline was done on purpose, but no verifiable documentation of that theory has been found.
    I don't need documentation. I was there when Chancellor Reaves announced the right-sizing plan. That 6,442 looks good on paper, but the ugly side was students living in hotels and faculty racing between buildings to teach classes. I had a front row seat to the UNC System's underfunded focused growth mandate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    So, on average FSU boosted their enrollment under Anderson's watch by 10 students per year.
    2 things that stands out most is ECSU's one year (2017 / 2018) growth of 19.6%, and WSSU's enrollment decline in past 10 years from a high of 6,442 down to around 5,190 (around -20%) I've seen it posted that the decline was done on purpose, but no verifiable documentation of that theory has been found.
    Simple Google search...
    https://www.higheredworks.org/2016/0...story-at-wssu/

    http://www.thenewsargus.com/news/view.php/403008/WSSU-students-adjusting-to-new-housing-l
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    I'm glad to hear that improvements were made.

    SAT Scores Over Time of Winston-Salem State University (2009-2018)

    Year Total Math Critical Reading/Writing
    25th 75th 25th 75th 25th 75th
    2009-10 790 940 400 470 390 470
    2010-11 820 950 410 480 410 470
    2011-12 810 970 410 490 400 480
    2012-13 820 960 420 490 400 470
    2013-14 840 960 430 490 410 470
    2014-15 800 930 400 470 400 460
    2015-16 810 930 410 470 400 460
    2016-17 800 940 400 470 400 470
    2017-18 890 1,020.440 510 450 510
    Average 820 956 413 482 407 473

    https://www.collegetuitioncompare.co...at-act-scores/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    So, on average FSU boosted their enrollment under Anderson's watch by 10 students per year.
    2 things that stands out most is ECSU's one year (2017 / 2018) growth of 19.6%, and WSSU's enrollment decline in past 10 years from a high of 6,442 down to around 5,190 (around -20%) I've seen it posted that the decline was done on purpose, but no verifiable documentation of that theory has been found.
    I know you want to be a champion of the NCPromise deal, but ECSU's big growth number also stems from a low denominator. The school had around1500, so adding 300 students would be the 20% you mention. A school like WSSU with 5000 students would need to add 1,000 students to get a 20% increase.

    As the WSSU contingent have mentioned, WSSU is trying to focus on quality a little more, so its not going to get a 20% increase with that focus.

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    Eagle, it is time to drop this subject. It has gotten old now. Seems like you have a thing with WSSU for not doing the NCPromise thing. It was their choice. LET IT GO!!!!!

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    You're right, I am an advocate of the proven successful NC Promise Program because between family members and friends, I have skin in the game. One of the major positive side effects is the increased competition of new applicants driving up the overall achievement and quality levels of incoming students and transfers. This elevates the school's SAT averages and perception as compared to other schools.

    It's been posted that "As the WSSU contingent have mentioned, WSSU is trying to focus on quality a little more", well this could happen, if WSSU (and FSU) appeals to be added to the NC Promise Program. A very simple and common sense solution for WSSU, would be to join the program (if possible) and limit the number of accepted applicants for controlled growth, while immediately seeing an elevated rise in standards (based on the competition to be accepted).

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    ELIZABETH CITY, NC - The freshman profile is indicative of a brighter day. According to the ECSU Office of Admissions, the average GPA of the incoming freshman class is 3.23. The average SAT scores of new freshman is 990, and the average ACT score is 19. ECSU is also seeing a record number of Honors Program students this year, according to the press release.


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    PEMBROKE, N.C. – Students returning to campus this fall note a distinctly new “feel” on campus. That “feel” is because UNC Pembroke has shattered its enrollment record with 7,137 students, a 14 percent increase compared with fall 2017—a surge of some 885 additional students.

    Average freshman SAT scores are up nearly 100 points compared with last year while both ACT scores and GPA have also risen.

    The plan reduces undergraduate tuition each semester to $500 for in-state and $2,500 for out-of-state students, resulting in significant overall savings of approximately $2,600 and $10,000 a year, respectively.

    “It is clear that NC Promise has made a high-quality college education more accessible to North Carolina students,” said Chancellor Robin Gary Cummings
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    I have no doubt at all that another side effect of the Promise Program will be a rise in Football attendance and quality transfers to the participating schools. With the program, the maximum NCAA D2 football scholarship being limited to .5 or 1/2, potential players will not be burden with as much excessive student debt after finishing school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    You're right, I am an advocate of the proven successful NC Promise Program because between family members and friends, I have skin in the game. One of the major positive side effects is the increased competition of new applicants driving up the overall achievement and quality levels of incoming students and transfers. This elevates the school's SAT averages and perception as compared to other schools.

    It's been posted that "As the WSSU contingent have mentioned, WSSU is trying to focus on quality a little more", well this could happen, if WSSU (and FSU) appeals to be added to the NC Promise Program. A very simple and common sense solution for WSSU, would be to join the program (if possible) and limit the number of accepted applicants for controlled growth, while immediately seeing an elevated rise in standards (based on the competition to be accepted).

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    ELIZABETH CITY, NC - The freshman profile is indicative of a brighter day. According to the ECSU Office of Admissions, the average GPA of the incoming freshman class is 3.23. The average SAT scores of new freshman is 990, and the average ACT score is 19. ECSU is also seeing a record number of Honors Program students this year, according to the press release.


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    PEMBROKE, N.C. – Students returning to campus this fall note a distinctly new “feel” on campus. That “feel” is because UNC Pembroke has shattered its enrollment record with 7,137 students, a 14 percent increase compared with fall 2017—a surge of some 885 additional students.

    Average freshman SAT scores are up nearly 100 points compared with last year while both ACT scores and GPA have also risen.

    The plan reduces undergraduate tuition each semester to $500 for in-state and $2,500 for out-of-state students, resulting in significant overall savings of approximately $2,600 and $10,000 a year, respectively.

    “It is clear that NC Promise has made a high-quality college education more accessible to North Carolina students,” said Chancellor Robin Gary Cummings
    .



    I have no doubt at all that another side effect of the Promise Program will be a rise in Football attendance and quality transfers to the participating schools. With the program, the maximum NCAA D2 football scholarship being limited to .5 or 1/2, potential players will not be burden with as much excessive student debt after finishing school.
    Only thing that has been proven is that the NC Promise Program increased student population. The program is in year 1, we don't even know the retention rate of this freshmen class yet. We also haven't even gone through a full political cycle to know what the long term congressional support will look like for this program.

    You talk so much about enrollment numbers of WSSU and FSU, yet you didn't even mention the fact that UNCA and ECU were the only two schools in the system that saw overall enrollment drops. Maybe those two schools can beg their way into the program before they have to close those schools down...........

    Again, as someone who claims not to be an alum of either WSSU or FSU what is your "skin in the game"? I'm fairly certain ECSU, UNCP, and WCU offer more than enough opportunities for students looking for reduced tuition. Considering that out of the almost 190,000 undergrad students in the UNC System only roughly 9.34% are enrolled in the "Promise Tuition" schools, it seems like some students have other priorities other than just a slightly reduced tuition.

    At the point ECSU, UNCP, and WCU are having to turn away masses of qualified students then we can revisit this conversation about other schools offering the program.

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    Only thing that has been proven is that the NC Promise Program increased student population. Check the academic impact of higher SAT and ACT scores at ECSU and UNCP (around 100 points), it's very clear and they speak for themselves.

    The program is in year 1, we don't even know the retention rate of this freshmen class yet. We're approaching year 2.

    We also haven't even gone through a full political cycle to know what the long term congressional support will look like for this program.

    State Representatives on both sides (including a majority of Democrats) of the isle recognize the success of the program, and are now in full support.

    You talk so much about enrollment numbers of WSSU and FSU, yet you didn't even mention the fact that UNCA and ECU were the only two schools in the system that saw overall enrollment drops. Maybe those two schools can beg their way into the program before they have to close those schools down........... LOL, ECU is down by 1.4%, and who knows, they may have decided to trim down slightly for increased quality;)

    Again, as someone who claims not to be an alum of either WSSU or FSU what is your "skin in the game"? I have several close family members and friends that have attended (some are now Bronco Alumni) of FSU, and they openly talk about how they wished they had the opportunity that the NC Promise program presently offers. They also talk (out of pride) about how the school could use additional funding, renovating, and updating.

    I'm fairly certain ECSU, UNCP, and WCU offer more than enough opportunities for students looking for reduced tuition. Considering that out of the almost 190,000 undergrad students in the UNC System only roughly 9.34% are enrolled in the "Promise Tuition" schools, it seems like some students have other priorities other than just a slightly reduced tuition.
    I'm absolutely positive there are thousands of potential upcoming graduates (many underprivileged) in both the Fayetteville and Triad areas which could really benefit by having the program available at their local Universities, just common sense, especially with the reduced number of available Pell Grants

    At the point ECSU, UNCP, and WCU are having to turn away masses of qualified students then we can revisit this conversation about other schools offering the program. That may happen for UNCP in the very near future unless new additional dorms and classes are quickly completed (885 additional students and transfers in just the past year), also ECSU is now filling dorms that had vacancies in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    Only thing that has been proven is that the NC Promise Program increased student population. Check the academic impact of higher SAT and ACT scores at ECSU and UNCP (around 100 points), it's very clear and they speak for themselves. Again, that's only one year. Great for them, but it also seems like most of the schools saw increases in GPA and SAT averages.

    The program is in year 1, we don't even know the retention rate of this freshmen class yet. We're approaching year 2. Approaching the start of year 2; therefore, an entire calendar year hasn't passed. Also, please provide some links for retention rate. They will be a huge major for the success of the program.

    We also haven't even gone through a full political cycle to know what the long term congressional support will look like for this program.

    State Representatives on both sides (including a majority of Democrats) of the isle recognize the success of the program, and are now in full support. Now in full support doesn't mean much of anything until the colleges need those reimbursements and we have new elected officials who have to determine if the payment is still worth the investment. Especially if out of state students don't stay in NC after graduation.

    You talk so much about enrollment numbers of WSSU and FSU, yet you didn't even mention the fact that UNCA and ECU were the only two schools in the system that saw overall enrollment drops. Maybe those two schools can beg their way into the program before they have to close those schools down........... LOL, ECU is down by 1.4%, and who knows, they may have decided to trim down slightly for increased quality;) Right they are down a whole 1.4%, but you are the same person who previously made some big deal about FSU's current enrollment trends. The enrollment that is actually up over the past decade, was up from 2017, and which only saw a whole 52 student incoming freshman reduction. It's funny how you pick and choose when minimal numbers are important.

    Again, as someone who claims not to be an alum of either WSSU or FSU what is your "skin in the game"? I have several close family members and friends that have attended (some are now Bronco Alumni) of FSU, and they openly talk about how they wished they had the opportunity that the NC Promise program presently offers. They also talk (out of pride) about how the school could use additional funding, renovating, and updating. Um I know I already showed you how WSSU was getting over $100 million in new construction. I'm fairly certain FSU has also recently received state funds for new construction and renovations. Maybe your friends and family could give, and/or give more, to these respective schools if there is that much concern.

    I'm fairly certain ECSU, UNCP, and WCU offer more than enough opportunities for students looking for reduced tuition. Considering that out of the almost 190,000 undergrad students in the UNC System only roughly 9.34% are enrolled in the "Promise Tuition" schools, it seems like some students have other priorities other than just a slightly reduced tuition.
    I'm absolutely positive there are thousands of potential upcoming graduates (many underprivileged) in both the Fayetteville and Triad areas which could really benefit by having the program available at their local Universities, just common sense, especially with the reduced number of available Pell Grants Well good thing those people have 3 schools to pick from, and the last I checked UNCP is right around the corner from Fayetteville. And again, for the Triad I didn't exactly see this program promoted for UNCG or A&T.........

    At the point ECSU, UNCP, and WCU are having to turn away masses of qualified students then we can revisit this conversation about other schools offering the program. That may happen for UNCP in the very near future unless new additional dorms and classes are quickly completed (885 additional students and transfers in just the past year), also ECSU is now filling dorms that had vacancies in the past. Good for those schools, and WSSU is also practically out of dorm space (hence our need to continue to build dorms). But as small as ECSU had gotten I think they have space to admit more students, and I highly doubt Pembroke is busting at the seems yet. And since you talk about growth, maybe the local economies can be stimulated with the increased building of apartments and residencies...
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    Legal,

    Let's be clear, I really like the four schools that we've been posting about, FSU, WSSU, ECSU and, UNCP. What I didn't like was when the NC Promise Program was initially presented, it was used as a political football and touted as being evil and mean spirited (due to who proposed it) by influential activist which once everything's said and done, people will realize were on the wrong side of history.

    Believe me, I'm no fan of student debt, and this program is helping a lot of those who need it most. At this point, I'm really hoping (based on obvious success, and expanded budgets) and lobbying for one of NC's Democratic representatives to propose opening the door again to additional schools. I'm positive that it would be looked at much differently.

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    Here's something that might be an indicator of why these three schools were chosen: The universities in the program are all in economically struggling rural areas. They are also all close to the North Carolina border. But I'm almost certain NC Promise isn't only serving North Carolina students. Providing struggling students access to higher education is a worthy goal. But North Carolina taxpayer money should be reserved for North Carolina students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsutiger2002 View Post
    But I'm almost certain NC Promise isn't only serving North Carolina students. Providing struggling students access to higher education is a worthy goal. But North Carolina taxpayer money should be reserved for North Carolina students.
    Interesting..........So, should it be available for Illegal Aliens?

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