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    Default Re: A&M-Commerce's Hawkins Field @ Memorial Stadium getting some big upgrad

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLionWire View Post
    A lot of alums and fans are upset with the Lion head going away, but I don't have a problem with it. It will save us 65k a year in maintaining the field and that can go to a new or revamped press box or the numerous issues with the West Side of the stadium, like new bathrooms, wheelchair access, and other things. Still, that stadium has come a country mile from where it was when I first set foot on campus.

    Plus, I would be more excited for a 7800 square feet addition to the Locker Rooms for an actual football facility than a huge logo on the field.

    Either way, McMurray is a smart AD and I trust him. Sometimes being a leader means doing the unpopular thing.
    It costs 65K per year to have that ugly lion on the football field? Getting rid of it is the best move the AD has made in a long time then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASURAM2010 View Post
    It costs 65K per year to have that ugly lion on the football field? Getting rid of it is the best move the AD has made in a long time then!
    Yeah, I guess it gets coated in gold leaf before every game or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeTAMUC View Post
    Yeah, I guess it gets coated in gold leaf before every game or something?
    Seriously, thats a lot of coin every year. I know the logo is huge, but what kind of maintenance has to be done every year that costs 65K...someone's brother a turf installer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASURAM2010 View Post
    Seriously, thats a lot of coin every year. I know the logo is huge, but what kind of maintenance has to be done every year that costs 65K...someone's brother a turf installer?
    I'm pretty sure they meant it costed $65k to have the head on the field when it was installed. I don't see why it would cost a penny to maintain the Lions head.

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    If they`d just sell the golden throne the assistants used to carry Colby around campus on they'd have plenty of money for whatever we need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionFan View Post
    I'm pretty sure they meant it costed $65k to have the head on the field when it was installed. I don't see why it would cost a penny to maintain the Lions head.
    Grooming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionFan View Post
    I'm pretty sure they meant it costed $65k to have the head on the field when it was installed. I don't see why it would cost a penny to maintain the Lions head.
    Feed??

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    https://dribbble.com/shots/2446007-ETSU-Commerce-Lion

    What about a large version of this guy on the field ?

    His name is “Lucky” the Lion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    https://dribbble.com/shots/2446007-ETSU-Commerce-Lion

    What about a large version of this guy on the field ?

    His name is “Lucky” the Lion
    Lucky the Lion is our mascot. That's just a vintage logo of him

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionFan View Post
    Lucky the Lion is our mascot. That's just a vintage logo of him
    Yeah, I know. I’ve been around East Texas State aka TAMUCommerce long enough to remember when some legislators first wanted to close the school in the mid eighties to moving the whole thing to Texarkana. A friend of mine transferred from there for fear of the school closing and losing credits. Brother just hung in there saying he had no other real options.

    If the school hadn’t lost so many students during that decade. I believe they would have an enrollment today more than Tarleton and SFA around the 17k. Most likely already be D1.

    I do agree with Jake that the stadium needs to be revamped. Besides some piecemeal projects here and there it still mostly appears as it did in the eighties.
    Last edited by Techster88; 06-11-2019 at 07:51 PM.

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    Me PERSONALLY, I prefer "old school" football stadiums. I prefer grass over artificial turf. I prefer nostalgic stadiums.....with long traditions.

    You can keep the AT&T Stadium, Allen Eagle Stadium, etc.... and give me places like Lambeau Field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUPops View Post
    Me PERSONALLY, I prefer "old school" football stadiums. I prefer grass over artificial turf. I prefer nostalgic stadiums.....with long traditions.

    You can keep the AT&T Stadium, Allen Eagle Stadium, etc.... and give me places like Lambeau Field.
    You might recruits don’t. Two recruits this past year both slammed TAMUC and TAMUK as being worse venues than their HS. Over time if others improve their facilities and you don’t it will take a toll on your program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    You might recruits don’t. Two recruits this past year both slammed TAMUC and TAMUK as being worse venues than their HS. Over time if others improve their facilities and you don’t it will take a toll on your program.
    That might be true for some....but I know dozens & dozens of players that selected programs who had worse stadiums & facilities than their HS.

    There are more universities that have less as far as stadium & facilities than Allen HS.....but that doesn't stop recruiting.

    Not sure I want players who care more about stadiums or unis than the program and system.

    Some of the top reasons my son selected Angelo State (in order):

    (1) Offensive System
    (2) Known as a top school for the Major he wanted
    (3) Possibility of playing freshman year
    (4) Recruiter (Gascamp)
    (5) Dorm rooms
    (6) San Angelo's amenities
    (7) 4 1/2 hours from home

    Never once did he talk about the stadium or uniforms. But he played two season of football a year from 2nd grade thru 10th grade. Then 4 seasons of arena football 6th-9th, and of course 4 years of 7/7 in HS. So he played 26 SEASONS of football before he ever reached college. Because of that, he has played in every type of stadium and on every type of field possible. From Florida to Nevada. When you are a PLAYER, the stadium and unis don't matter. BUT of course he liked nice facilities & fields, and loved nice unis....but it was at the bottom of the priority list. Same goes for just about every PLAYER I have coached and or known for 36 years. The only players that all that bling really mattered to were "B" players or non-starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUPops View Post
    That might be true for some....but I know dozens & dozens of players that selected programs who had worse stadiums & facilities than their HS.

    There are more universities that have less as far as stadium & facilities than Allen HS.....but that doesn't stop recruiting.

    Not sure I want players who care more about stadiums or unis than the program and system.

    Some of the top reasons my son selected Angelo State (in order):

    (1) Offensive System
    (2) Known as a top school for the Major he wanted
    (3) Possibility of playing freshman year

    (4) Recruiter (Gascamp)
    (5) Dorm rooms
    (6) San Angelo's amenities
    (7) 4 1/2 hours from home

    Never once did he talk about the stadium or uniforms. But he played two season of football a year from 2nd grade thru 10th grade. Then 4 seasons of arena football 6th-9th, and of course 4 years of 7/7 in HS. So he played 26 SEASONS of football before he ever reached college. Because of that, he has played in every type of stadium and on every type of field possible. From Florida to Nevada. When you are a PLAYER, the stadium and unis don't matter. BUT of course he liked nice facilities & fields, and loved nice unis....but it was at the bottom of the priority list. Same goes for just about every PLAYER I have coached and or known for 36 years. The only players that all that bling really mattered to were "B" players or non-starters.
    Those two should be the most important.

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    Commerce just announced a 10 YEAR extension of our deal with Under Armor. Seems pretty extensive for a DII contract with a single school, no? I could see a 10 year deal with a Conference maybe, or an A&M system-wide extension that long, but no complaints from me - just surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeTAMUC View Post
    Commerce just announced a 10 YEAR extension of our deal with Under Armor. Seems pretty extensive for a DII contract with a single school, no? I could see a 10 year deal with a Conference maybe, or an A&M system-wide extension that long, but no complaints from me - just surprised.
    I actually like the commerce uniforms...speaking basketball and football. It's cool they are locked down for a bit .The designs and everything are top notch. I was disappointed in the WT uniforms this past year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeTAMUC View Post
    At some point it needs to dawn on the big shots around here that continuing to throw money at that stadium by slapping on new additions every year or 2 is a losing proposition. It's a 70 yr old facility with terrible stands, rest rooms, and very poor handicap access. If they do anything at all to it, it should be with an eye toward making it a top notch track and field facility and they should be tucking this money away for construction of a football only venue. Enough is enough with this stadium. If Bailiff manages to not screw up what Colby left him here, we should continue to be a premier d2 program. They need to start thinking like that will be the case for the foreseeable future and invest in excellence instead of propping up an outdated, inferior facility with quick fixes.
    Were you there in the 70's and early 80's with the old cinder track, stands on one side, and a scoreboard that looked like it belonged at a middle school auxiliary field? You obviously didn't see some of the trash heaps we played in during the playoff run in 2017. Central Washington didn't have visitors stands or lights. Winona State looked a high school stadium. Western New Mexico looks like a prison facility. Does The Hawk need work? Yes. Does it need a new press box? Yes. Work is being done. It's a great old stadium that is magic on Saturday afternoons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmclean View Post
    Were you there in the 70's and early 80's with the old cinder track, stands on one side, and a scoreboard that looked like it belonged at a middle school auxiliary field? You obviously didn't see some of the trash heaps we played in during the playoff run in 2017. Central Washington didn't have visitors stands or lights. Winona State looked a high school stadium. Western New Mexico looks like a prison facility. Does The Hawk need work? Yes. Does it need a new press box? Yes. Work is being done. It's a great old stadium that is magic on Saturday afternoons.
    The suckiness of other school stadiums is not my concern. It isnt a great old stadium. I remember the one sided stands and the crappy scoreboard, and Winona has a far better facility than we do, even if it looks high school. I attend games with a handicapped individual and it is terrible for her. I watch elderly people, every single game, tripping over the ridiculous uneven steps. It's only a matter of time before one of them busts their skull in there. We got our 300k worth out of that place. It ain't Lambeau, Fenway, or Wrigley (and our building is older than Lambeau). It's time for some vision, and time to move on. I'm not gonna romanticize that place. New locker rooms are nice, but not the problem. We are now a top tier DII program, provided Bailiff can keep us there. Time to start behaving like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmclean View Post
    Were you there in the 70's and early 80's with the old cinder track, stands on one side, and a scoreboard that looked like it belonged at a middle school auxiliary field? You obviously didn't see some of the trash heaps we played in during the playoff run in 2017. Central Washington didn't have visitors stands or lights. Winona State looked a high school stadium. Western New Mexico looks like a prison facility. Does The Hawk need work? Yes. Does it need a new press box? Yes. Work is being done. It's a great old stadium that is magic on Saturday afternoons.
    Your argument is weak at best. Since we are St Charles in monopoly we are way better off than Baltic Avenue and therefore we really don’t need to improve our situation.

    I also remember those days and at that time the stadium was acceptable. Status quo mentality almost killed the university off in those mid eighties you are talking about. Remember the President took another job in another state and didn’t tell the state legislature while waiting their decision. The point is that the University now has the means to make it a first class stadium. The place is over 40 years old and needs to undergo a total renovation to be brought into the 21st century.

    Since you like to compare stadiums why don’t ride over to Stephenville or Canyon and checkout the future.

    Forward thinkers need to stop with the patchwork and build something that will get everyone excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    Your argument is weak at best. Since we are St Charles in monopoly we are way better off than Baltic Avenue and therefore we really don’t need to improve our situation.

    I also remember those days and at that time the stadium was acceptable. Status quo mentality almost killed the university off in those mid eighties you are talking about. Remember the President took another job in another state and didn’t tell the state legislature while waiting their decision. The point is that the University now has the means to make it a first class stadium. The place is over 40 years old and needs to undergo a total renovation to be brought into the 21st century.

    Since you like to compare stadiums why don’t ride over to Stephenville or Canyon and checkout the future.

    Forward thinkers need to stop with the patchwork and build something that will get everyone excited.
    Its 70 years old.

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