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    I'm posting this here for anyone not looking at the GMAC board. Seems the rumors of Gannon, Mercyhurst and Seton Hill to the GMAC are starting up again.

    What's unclear is the line below about Mercyhurst and Gannon. Not sure if the poster is counting SHU as the '1 other [sic] PSAC school' or if they think a state school would leave the PSAC. I can't say I see the latter happening.


    Posted by Insidesource on GMAC board:

    What I am hearing from those involved in GMAC meeting:

    Seton Hill/UIndy most likely to join GMAC

    Gannon, Hurst would consider moving if at least 1 other school PSAC school joined in the move

    NDC/Urbana possible (50/50)

    No talks AT ALL concerning Ashland

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    I guess the one other PSAC school could be UPJ. I forgot about them (it's easy to do haha)

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    No way ...

    Not a chance they are adding all that travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    No way ...

    Not a chance they are adding all that travel.
    From a travel standpoint, it doesn't make sense. It just depends on how much those institutions value being in a league that is (mostly) comprised of private schools. If that is their ultimate goal, then I guess the GMAC makes sense for them.

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    If the 3 private schools all left the PSAC it wouldn't be the end of the world. I would suspect the league would try to lure Lincoln and maybe approach one or 2 of the D3 schools in the state about joining if all 3 schools left. Football wise Seton Hill & Gannon don't really hurt competition wise just messes up the numbers as divisions would have to be realigned. I wonder if Mansfield would consider restarting their FULL football program again. If so then the East would just probably bring in Lincoln, reincorporate Mansfield and in the west maybe a private D3 like Allegheny wants to make the jump

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    Quote Originally Posted by shipfbfan12 View Post
    If the 3 private schools all left the PSAC it wouldn't be the end of the world. I would suspect the league would try to lure Lincoln and maybe approach one or 2 of the D3 schools in the state about joining if all 3 schools left. Football wise Seton Hill & Gannon don't really hurt competition wise just messes up the numbers as divisions would have to be realigned. I wonder if Mansfield would consider restarting their FULL football program again. If so then the East would just probably bring in Lincoln, reincorporate Mansfield and in the west maybe a private D3 like Allegheny wants to make the jump

    Gannon and Mercyhurst would be huge losses in basketball.

    That said, I'd give the odds of them leaving to be about the same as IUPNation leading a pro-Trump rally in the Oak Grove.

    Even Seton Hill, while complete dumpster fire in men's basketball and football, gives our teams a short road trip.

    UPJ wanted to join the PSAC forever. No chance they are leaving.

    This topic comes up every year around this time. It's a good time-filler, I suppose, and is more interesting than women's wrestling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shipfbfan12 View Post
    in the west maybe a private D3 like Allegheny wants to make the jump
    West Liberty maybe? I have a hard time envisioning Allegheny joining the PSAC, especially if the three private schools left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    Gannon and Mercyhurst would be huge losses in basketball.

    That said, I'd give the odds of them leaving to be about the same as IUPNation leading a pro-Trump rally in the Oak Grove.

    Even Seton Hill, while complete dumpster fire in men's basketball and football, gives our teams a short road trip.

    UPJ wanted to join the PSAC forever. No chance they are leaving.

    This topic comes up every year around this time. It's a good time-filler, I suppose, and is more interesting than women's wrestling.

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    Likely scenario is that the G-MAC will want to get Notre Dame in the conference. The G-MAC needs a football school to replace Malone. NDC, I think, will be losing one of the closest schools in the MEC travel-wise as it appears Wheeling Jesuit is about to implode by the end of next school year. WJU was one of the closest schools in the MEC as NDC travel is pretty tough in the MEC. Going the G-MAC puts them in close proximity to several schools. I hear this "they have easier path to bids in the MEC". However, with that conference losing members, there may not be that many bids awarded to schools in that conference. I see no reason why NDC can't have that same success in the G-MAC.

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    I would be shocked if the Lake Show and St Thugs left the conference.

    But it wouldn’t be the end of the world either. My only worry is that if they do leave that the have not schools left will try to bring back the IUP Rule in foosball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPNation View Post
    I would be shocked if the Lake Show and St Thugs left the conference.

    But it wouldn’t be the end of the world either. My only worry is that if they do leave that the have not schools left will try to bring back the IUP Rule in foosball.
    I think that ship has sailed. Many more schools/conferences allow for the D2 max than did 20 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    Gannon and Mercyhurst would be huge losses in basketball.

    That said, I'd give the odds of them leaving to be about the same as IUPNation leading a pro-Trump rally in the Oak Grove.

    Even Seton Hill, while complete dumpster fire in men's basketball and football, gives our teams a short road trip.

    UPJ wanted to join the PSAC forever. No chance they are leaving.

    This topic comes up every year around this time. It's a good time-filler, I suppose, and is more interesting than women's wrestling.
    Those two, plus Seton Hill, would be huge losses for baseball, too. But if they left, maybe SRU could actually compete to win the West again

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDonAB92 View Post
    Likely scenario is that the G-MAC will want to get Notre Dame in the conference. The G-MAC needs a football school to replace Malone. NDC, I think, will be losing one of the closest schools in the MEC travel-wise as it appears Wheeling Jesuit is about to implode by the end of next school year. WJU was one of the closest schools in the MEC as NDC travel is pretty tough in the MEC. Going the G-MAC puts them in close proximity to several schools. I hear this "they have easier path to bids in the MEC". However, with that conference losing members, there may not be that many bids awarded to schools in that conference. I see no reason why NDC can't have that same success in the G-MAC.
    NDC hasn't even started playing WJ yet. I'm under the impression this is going to be WJ's first year competing in the conference as a football member, so technically they never had that close competition to begin with if they do fold. The GMAC and the MEC are pretty comparable with a pretty clear hierarchy of the haves and have nots in their respective leagues. Both tend to be 1 bid leagues usually so not much difference there.

    It does make more sense though that eventually NDC would consider the move just due to the proximity of the affiliated schools.

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    What are you talking about? NDC has been playing Wheeling Jesuit in a lot of sports of the years. You realize I wasn't talking strictly football??? NDC has been playing in the MEC since the beginning of the conference.

    I was talking about for all sports. The travel costs for an athletic department are determined much more beyond the sport of football. One of NDC closest members in the MEC for all sports was most certainly Wheeling Jesuit. An athletic director looks at travel costs for all the sports and that was clearly what I meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDonAB92 View Post
    One of NDC closest members in the MEC for all sports was most certainly Wheeling Jesuit. An athletic director looks at travel costs for all the sports and that was clearly what I meant.
    For sure. Closest school (along with WLU) and fellow Catholic institution. They are NDC's gateway to the MEC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stea1th View Post
    For sure. Closest school (along with WLU) and fellow Catholic institution. They are NDC's gateway to the MEC.
    Closest school is WLU and they clearly aren't going anywhere. As for WU's future, I wouldn't write them off just yet. Times are hard for most colleges with declining enrolement and financial difficulties pretty much the norm. Seems like most of these distressed schools tend to try and ride out the storm making no changes and hoping that enrolement (and tuition driven $'s) eventually goes back up. Sometimes that works but too often, it doesn't and the school has to close. At least WU has responded to try and right the ship before it goes completely under water. They may have been too slow to act and they may go out of business, but at least they are trying to do something. I'd put their chances at surviving and ultimately thriving at 50/50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    Closest school is WLU and they clearly aren't going anywhere. As for WU's future, I wouldn't write them off just yet. Times are hard for most colleges with declining enrolement and financial difficulties pretty much the norm. Seems like most of these distressed schools tend to try and ride out the storm making no changes and hoping that enrolement (and tuition driven $'s) eventually goes back up. Sometimes that works but too often, it doesn't and the school has to close. At least WU has responded to try and right the ship before it goes completely under water. They may have been too slow to act and they may go out of business, but at least they are trying to do something. I'd put their chances at surviving and ultimately thriving at 50/50.
    With all 18 sports (10-M, 8-W) still intact ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CALUPA69 View Post
    With all 18 sports (10-M, 8-W) still intact ?
    I could see some trimming of teams. But remember, teams do contribute to enrollment! More likely they trim schollys and assistant coaches...at least until they get back on firm financial footing (if that happens).

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