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    Buddy of mine at the firm I work at sent me an email when were having some downtime and he knew that I am a Tech fan/Mike Leach fan and he told me to compare numbers.

    Tech Under Leach-

    85-43 overall.

    47-33 Big 12 Record (Third Best Behind Texas and Oklahoma during that stretch)

    10 Years, 10 Winning Seasons, 10 Bowl Berths.

    One 11 Win Season, Four 9 Win Seasons

    1 Big 12 South Title

    6 Bowl Wins

    Ranked at some point in the season from 2002-2009

    Finished the season ranked 5 times.

    4 Heisman Trophy Candidates (Kinsgbury, Symons, Harrell, Crabtree)

    3 Sammy Baugh Trophy Winners (Kinsbury, Symons, Harrell)

    1 two time Belitnekoff Winner (Crabtree)

    Defense bottomed out in 2003 and then improved every season.

    Dominated Texas A&M (7-3) Record

    Never Lost to Baylor (10-0)

    Winning Records against Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Kansas, TAMU, Iowa State, and Nebraska.

    3-2 Record against Oklahoma his last 5 seasons.

    5 NCAA Leading Passers (Kingsbury, Symons, Cumbie, Hodges, Harrell)

    53-11 record at Jones AT&T Stadium.

    19-11 record against Big 12 Texas Schools

    Tech Since Leach-2010-2018

    56-57 overall

    28-52 in Big 12 Play

    4 Winning seasons, 5 losing seasons

    5 Bowl appearances, 3 Wins, 2 Losses

    4 Non Bowl Eligible Seasons.

    Best Season finish 7-6

    No Heisman candiates or finalists

    1 Passer who led NCAA (Patrick Mahomes)

    No final ranking in the top 25.

    1-8 against Oklahoma

    1-8 against Okie State

    Beat two weak Texas Teams

    Lost to Iowa State 3 times

    3-6 against BAYLOR. FREAKIN BAYLOR

    27-26 record at Jones AT&T Stadium

    Defense finished at or near dead last 3 of the past 4 seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLionWire View Post
    Buddy of mine at the firm I work at sent me an email when were having some downtime and he knew that I am a Tech fan/Mike Leach fan and he told me to compare numbers.

    Tech Under Leach-

    85-43 overall.

    47-33 Big 12 Record (Third Best Behind Texas and Oklahoma during that stretch)

    10 Years, 10 Winning Seasons, 10 Bowl Berths.

    One 11 Win Season, Four 9 Win Seasons

    1 Big 12 South Title

    6 Bowl Wins

    Ranked at some point in the season from 2002-2009

    Finished the season ranked 5 times.

    4 Heisman Trophy Candidates (Kinsgbury, Symons, Harrell, Crabtree)

    3 Sammy Baugh Trophy Winners (Kinsbury, Symons, Harrell)

    1 two time Belitnekoff Winner (Crabtree)

    Defense bottomed out in 2003 and then improved every season.

    Dominated Texas A&M (7-3) Record

    Never Lost to Baylor (10-0)

    Winning Records against Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Kansas, TAMU, Iowa State, and Nebraska.

    3-2 Record against Oklahoma his last 5 seasons.

    5 NCAA Leading Passers (Kingsbury, Symons, Cumbie, Hodges, Harrell)

    53-11 record at Jones AT&T Stadium.

    19-11 record against Big 12 Texas Schools

    Tech Since Leach-2010-2018

    56-57 overall

    28-52 in Big 12 Play

    4 Winning seasons, 5 losing seasons

    5 Bowl appearances, 3 Wins, 2 Losses

    4 Non Bowl Eligible Seasons.

    Best Season finish 7-6

    No Heisman candiates or finalists

    1 Passer who led NCAA (Patrick Mahomes)

    No final ranking in the top 25.

    1-8 against Oklahoma

    1-8 against Okie State

    Beat two weak Texas Teams

    Lost to Iowa State 3 times

    3-6 against BAYLOR. FREAKIN BAYLOR

    27-26 record at Jones AT&T Stadium

    Defense finished at or near dead last 3 of the past 4 seasons.
    That pretty much sums up my frustration With the clowns hired post Leach. Both King and Tubby had two things in common big egos and losing.
    And, to think Leach was fired over his ego. They used that moron James and his pampered pet son as the scapegoats because the University didn’t want to pay Leach.

    Wells did add some quality transfers, but he has a huge mess to clean up. His style of coaching is NOT what Tech fans are used to. I think he will be heavily criticized for things Cap’n K has put in place. He cannot make wholesale changes right away. He will need time to get his type of players into the system and then we will see if he can or cannot coach at this level.

    I’ve never bought into the idea that you can’t recruit talent there. You just have to lay the ground work and produce and players that want to win will follow your lead.

    Pretty sure Basketball and Baseball are proving me right daily.

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    Anyone heard from Craig James lately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    That pretty much sums up my frustration With the clowns hired post Leach. Both King and Tubby had two things in common big egos and losing.
    And, to think Leach was fired over his ego. They used that moron James and his pampered pet son as the scapegoats because the University didn’t want to pay Leach.

    Wells did add some quality transfers, but he has a huge mess to clean up. His style of coaching is NOT what Tech fans are used to. I think he will be heavily criticized for things Cap’n K has put in place. He cannot make wholesale changes right away. He will need time to get his type of players into the system and then we will see if he can or cannot coach at this level.

    I’ve never bought into the idea that you can’t recruit talent there. You just have to lay the ground work and produce and players that want to win will follow your lead.

    Pretty sure Basketball and Baseball are proving me right daily.
    Yep, virtually every program at Tech is doing well right now save football and women's basketball. Men's Bball is awesome, baseball is always in contention, softball had a good run, track and field are dominant. Get football up to speed and Tech could have one of the top athletic departments in the Big12 (top to bottom)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSC Fan View Post
    Anyone heard from Craig James lately?
    He’s been pretty much black balled from the announcer booth of every network. He also had an epic fail in a political run. Maybe he’s been swallowed up in the abyss of the black hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    He’s been pretty much black balled from the announcer booth of every network. He also had an epic fail in a political run. Maybe he’s been swallowed up in the abyss of the black hole.
    He's too busy trying to move the dead strippers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSC Fan View Post
    Anyone heard from Craig James lately?
    Especially for you LSC Fan

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports....021520234.html

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    The moral of the story here is to not hire an offensive coordinator who built his name off of a once in a lifetime QB who made all the plays on his own after the actual plays broke down. The Arizona Cardinals will soon realize what Tech just did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionFan View Post
    The moral of the story here is to not hire an offensive coordinator who built his name off of a once in a lifetime QB who made all the plays on his own after the actual plays broke down. The Arizona Cardinals will soon realize what Tech just did.
    He actually had 2, just ran Mayfield off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionFan View Post
    The moral of the story here is to not hire an offensive coordinator who built his name off of a once in a lifetime QB who made all the plays on his own after the actual plays broke down. The Arizona Cardinals will soon realize what Tech just did.
    I thought you were talking about Kevin Sumlin for a second.
    Who was the first person to look at a cow and say, "I think I'll squeeze these dangly things here, and drink whatever comes out?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASURAM2010 View Post
    Yep, virtually every program at Tech is doing well right now save football and women's basketball. Men's Bball is awesome, baseball is always in contention, softball had a good run, track and field are dominant. Get football up to speed and Tech could have one of the top athletic departments in the Big12 (top to bottom)
    Neighbor’s son is pitching for Tech this year. He’s gotten a lot of playing time there. Looking at his stats he seems to have control issues by the number of walks.
    Last edited by Techster88; 05-21-2019 at 03:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JavsFan View Post
    I thought you were talking about Kevin Sumlin for a second.
    Him too,actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionFan View Post
    The moral of the story here is to not hire an offensive coordinator who built his name off of a once in a lifetime QB who made all the plays on his own after the actual plays broke down.
    what exactly was Mike Leach before he arrived at Tech?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herb Street View Post
    what exactly was Mike Leach before he arrived at Tech?
    Just in case there was no sarcasm, Offensive Coordinator at Oklahoma for one year and OC at Kentucky from 97-98.

    One thing he did not do was inherit a great QB situation at OU. Josh Heupel was this guy from a JUCO nobody had heard of that had a very average arm and turned him into a Sooner great and National Champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLionWire View Post
    Just in case there was no sarcasm, Offensive Coordinator at Oklahoma for one year and OC at Kentucky from 97-98.
    That's what I was thinking. Not much of a resume. I think it's a stretch to say he turned a QB into a "Sooner great" in a single season, but I'll have some of what you're smoking.

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    Consensus All-American (2000)
    AP Player of the Year (2000)
    Walter Camp Award (2000)
    Archie Griffin Award (2000)
    Harley Award Winner (2000)
    Quarterback of the Year (2000)

    Led Sooners to a National Title while breaking and setting all kinds of Big 12 and OU passing records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLionWire View Post
    Consensus All-American (2000)
    AP Player of the Year (2000)
    Walter Camp Award (2000)
    Archie Griffin Award (2000)
    Harley Award Winner (2000)
    Quarterback of the Year (2000)

    Led Sooners to a National Title while breaking and setting all kinds of Big 12 and OU passing records.

    I wasn't talking about Heupel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLionWire View Post
    Just in case there was no sarcasm, Offensive Coordinator at Oklahoma for one year and OC at Kentucky from 97-98.

    One thing he did not do was inherit a great QB situation at OU. Josh Heupel was this guy from a JUCO nobody had heard of that had a very average arm and turned him into a Sooner great and National Champion.
    Lion Wire, it’s no use trying to convince Herb that Leach is a winner. He’s been in The backwoods so long the only thing he believes in is Big Foot and UFOs. Never mind that Leach was a consistent winner at Tech and has turned around a dog at Washington State.

    He somehow believes that HAS BEEN Tubervlle IS STILL a better coach although he is unemployed and will be as far as the power 5 conferences are concerned indefinitely.

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    I’m convinced Tech will be cursed for a very long time thanks to the way they treated Leach much like the Boston Red Sox were cursed for the way Babe Ruth left town. Eventually the curse was broken, but it took decades with lots of heartache and tears in beer to get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    Lion Wire, it’s no use trying to convince Herb that Leach is a winner. He’s been in The backwoods so long the only thing he believes in is Big Foot and UFOs. Never mind that Leach was a consistent winner at Tech and has turned around a dog at Washington State.

    He somehow believes that HAS BEEN Tubervlle IS STILL a better coach although he is unemployed and will be as far as the power 5 conferences are concerned indefinitely.
    Not quite sure about the Tubberville comment. Leach is a winner. The point is, Tech took a gamble on two OCs with no HC experience. One was a hit, one not so much.

    Wells is every bit as much a gamble. Very mediocre overall record in G5. Then again, programs like Tech typically have to roll the dice on their coaches. You occasionally happen onto a Beard or Leach and hope you can keep them around.
    Last edited by Herb Street; 05-23-2019 at 05:25 PM.

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