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    Well the upcoming new member of the MEC (Football only) UNC Pembroke is going through a building and enrollment boom, and are predicted to be at around 8,000+ students by next Spring. My good friend (a major Braves fan and booster) is now saying that the UNCP Football team will be extremely good this year, and next year, and should be a strong contender in the NCAA D2 playoffs. He said that he's looking forward to also be watching the Braves competing for a MEC conference championship next year.

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    Isn't that why they are coming to the MEC, pretty much for an automatic bid to the playoffs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportsnut View Post
    Isn't that why they are coming to the MEC, pretty much for an automatic bid to the playoffs?
    Nice to get the automatic bid, unfortunately the conference offers very little in terms of preparation for the playoffs in terms of physicality. Sometimes can be a little bit of a shock that the other team might actually hit you back after playing about 70% of this conference.

    Notre Dame should have a hell of a team next year if they don't lose anyone to the summer BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram040506 View Post
    Nice to get the automatic bid, unfortunately the conference offers very little in terms of preparation for the playoffs in terms of physicality. Sometimes can be a little bit of a shock that the other team might actually hit you back after playing about 70% of this conference.

    Notre Dame should have a hell of a team next year if they don't lose anyone to the summer BS.
    Seems like the MEC schedule has done plenty to prepare the "automatic bid" team over the last five years including four of five Regional Championships:

    2018 Notre Dame College, Regional Champion
    2016 Shepherd, Regional Champion
    2015 Shepherd, Regional Champion
    2014 Concord, Regional Champion

    Only time over the last five years that a MEC team has not been the SR1 Champion is in 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    Seems like the MEC schedule has done plenty to prepare the "automatic bid" team over the last five years including four of five Regional Championships:

    2018 Notre Dame College, Regional Champion
    2016 Shepherd, Regional Champion
    2015 Shepherd, Regional Champion
    2014 Concord, Regional Champion

    Only time over the last five years that a MEC team has not been the SR1 Champion is in 2017.
    A semi-impressive note that seems to be lost in memory by many posters on the SR1 board!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clydes 'N Rams View Post
    A semi-impressive note that seems to be lost in memory by many posters on the SR1 board!!
    Doesn't fit their version of reality so it is ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    Well the upcoming new member of the MEC (Football only) UNC Pembroke is going through a building and enrollment boom, and are predicted to be at around 8,000+ students by next Spring. My good friend (a major Braves fan and booster) is now saying that the UNCP Football team will be extremely good this year, and next year, and should be a strong contender in the NCAA D2 playoffs. He said that he's looking forward to also be watching the Braves competing for a MEC conference championship next year.
    So a team that was 2-8 this past year should do a 180 degree turn and be extremely good? Guess I have to keep an eye on their season....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoNuff View Post
    So a team that was 2-8 this past year should do a 180 degree turn and be extremely good? Guess I have to keep an eye on their season....
    I believe a lot of their optimism comes from the fact that they are returning 21 out of 22 starters, including all of their skill players. Add in the fact that their coach knew that last season would be a rebuilding year, so he also went ahead and red-shirted a lot of his top recruited players. My Brave's friend may be right about them being loaded for at least the next couple of years. I'll be watching them too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    I believe a lot of their optimism comes from the fact that they are returning 21 out of 22 starters, including all of their skill players. Add in the fact that their coach knew that last season would be a rebuilding year, so he also went ahead and red-shirted a lot of his top recruited players. My Brave's friend may be right about them being loaded for at least the next couple of years. I'll be watching them too.
    I understand they are bringing back most of their starters, plus only losing to 7 SRs/RS SRs. But they were 2-8 this past season with victories against 1-win Elizabeth City State and 2-win Concord. Now had the team went 5-5, then I would maybe agree with his optimism. But hey, I guess he knows his team, so like I stated, I will keep an eye on their upcoming season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    I believe a lot of their optimism comes from the fact that they are returning 21 out of 22 starters, including all of their skill players. Add in the fact that their coach knew that last season would be a rebuilding year, so he also went ahead and red-shirted a lot of his top recruited players. My Brave's friend may be right about them being loaded for at least the next couple of years. I'll be watching them too.
    For Richardson's sake they better hope they can turn things around. Richardson rode the wave that Shinnick left for long enough, but now it's time for him to show he can build the program back up after back to back 2-8 seasons.

    One thing that really makes me wonder is why he can't keep QBs. UNCP goes 10-2 in 2016 but then the QB transfers to Catawba. In 2017 they start a RS freshman who had video game numbers in high school, he took some lumps but showed promise; however, he ended up leaving. Now the back up from last year, who saw some decent game action has left to give it a try at Cal. I got to wonder what is going on at UNCP as it relates to the QB position.

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    Having a 6-3 220 returning QB which started as a true Freshman last season, and went 366-209-10 for 2,242 yards, might be an enticement for a backup QB to transfer. Especially since the Braves have other backups on their roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    Having a 6-3 220 returning QB which started as a true Freshman last season, and went 366-209-10 for 2,242 yards, might be an enticement for a backup QB to transfer. Especially since the Braves have other backups on their roster.
    Interesting, but Cal also returns a QB who was a freshman last season with better stats and a lot better record.

    Also, doesn't explain the other two recent QB starters that left. Especially why a starter from a team that made the playoffs decides to transfer out.

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    One year "turn around" is possible, but not probable. More likely that it takes at least two years. If the returning players are as good as your friend thinks, the players who were redshirted last year are as good as your friend says they are AND there are some gems in this years recruiting haul, a two year rebuild is quite possible. I'd look for 5 to 6 wins this year which would set them up to step up to the 8 win plateau the following season.

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    I think the addition of UNCP makes the MEC stronger as will the addition of Frostburg. Both are bigger schools and have a track record of success. Sure, UNCP is up and down from year to year and Frostburg's has been at the D3 level but both have a ton of resources and really good facilities. Particularly in the case of Frostburg, they are in a state with little in-state DII recruiting competition (Bowie) that has produced quality DII players for a number of out of state DII programs. Now these type players will have a less expensive in-state program to go to which should result in Frostburg improving quickly.

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    The dance between the PSAC and the MEC is a funny one. The PSAC is undoubtedly the stronger top-to-bottom conference, and they put a couple strong and battle-tested (or battle worn down) teams into the playoff every year. The MEC seems to produce one team per year that pretty much dominates the conference and then goes on to win the regional. From the PSAC's perspective, that has to be frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stea1th View Post
    The dance between the PSAC and the MEC is a funny one. The PSAC is undoubtedly the stronger top-to-bottom conference, and they put a couple strong and battle-tested (or battle worn down) teams into the playoff every year. The MEC seems to produce one team per year that pretty much dominates the conference and then goes on to win the regional. From the PSAC's perspective, that has to be frustrating.
    Much of the debate centers around the supposed depth of the PSAC. As you state, it is presumed that the PSAC puts in stronger teams while the MEC puts in the best team. Let's look at the first part of that (PSAC puts in stronger teams). The MEC has put in a second team only twice (2015 and 2016) and both times they lost in the first round. For comparison, let's look at the "battle-tested" #2 PSAC teams for comparison. They haven't really covered themselves in regional glory losing in the first round for the last two years and in the second round in 14 through 16.

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    Well, I guess that having team number 2 survive the first round 60% of the time is undeniably better than 0% of the time.

    That said, I think that if the MEC was forced to choose between championships or depth, it would choose championships. I know I would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stea1th View Post
    Well, I guess that having team number 2 survive the first round 60% of the time is undeniably better than 0% of the time.

    That said, I think that if the MEC was forced to choose between championships or depth, it would choose championships. I know I would.
    Yes it is but it helps improve your odds of success when you always have a second (and third and often fourth) team in the playoffs!!

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    Another consideration - the top seeded team (first round bye, home field throughout) has won the region in 6 of the past 8 years. Only Shepherd in 2016 and West Chester in 2013 won two playoff games on the road to win the region.

    BTW, Concord's record since their semi-final appearance in 2014 is 11-32. Reminds me of that one-hit wonder West Liberty team of 2009.

    Shepherd had been blocking Notre Dame's path to the playoffs for a while, but a new coach and now a new conference has cleared the path for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horror Child View Post
    Another consideration - the top seeded team (first round bye, home field throughout) has won the region in 6 of the past 8 years. Only Shepherd in 2016 and West Chester in 2013 won two playoff games on the road to win the region.

    BTW, Concord's record since their semi-final appearance in 2014 is 11-32. Reminds me of that one-hit wonder West Liberty team of 2009.

    Shepherd had been blocking Notre Dame's path to the playoffs for a while, but a new coach and now a new conference has cleared the path for them.
    Not exactly. Notre Dame broke through in the MEC in a big way last year and proved their playoff metal and you can make a case that Shepherd did block them in 2017 when they finished #2 in the MEC but they finished 9-2 and #3 in the conf in 2016 and before that, they were basically a middle of the pack team.

    Except for Shepherd and to a lesser extent Fairmont, seems like MEC teams have a period of time where they improve and improve until they break through and claim the top spot and then fall off quickly. We'll see if the same happens to NDC this year. Also interesting to see if Shepherd falling last year was a one year blip or if it was the beginning of a downward swing.

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