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  1. #61

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    Quote Originally Posted by laker View Post
    Henderson to move up to head coach at SDSU. So Sather stays at Northern?

    https://gojacks.com/news/2019/3/27/h...asketball.aspx
    I would be very surprised if Sather ever goes anywhere.

  2. #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSU4LIFE View Post
    I would be very surprised if Sather ever goes anywhere.
    Even though satther has good situation, he just like virtually every d2 coach in country would accept a QUALITY d1 head coaching opportunitiy in two seconds.

  3. #63

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moorhead123 View Post
    Even though satther has good situation, he just like virtually every d2 coach in country would accept a QUALITY d1 head coaching opportunitiy in two seconds.
    If they are looking for it....then yes

  4. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Augieholic View Post
    SDSU Assistant and former Wayne State Wildcat Eric Henderson is the new HC

    https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/sta...733267968?s=19
    Wow. Good for Hendo.

    I've met very few people with more positive energy. I have certainly never been a Jacks fan, but I will have to reconsider that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cat fan View Post
    Wow. Good for Hendo.

    I've met very few people with more positive energy. I have certainly never been a Jacks fan, but I will have to reconsider that.
    I concur

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    Initially I was disappointed it wasn't Miles, but I think this was probably the right move to promote from within.

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    I was pushing that they give McCullom a look, primarily because he's a much better x and o's coach than TJ-- especially defense. There was also some board support for Doty. In the end, Henderson will probably allow them to hold on to some recruits that might have gone to UNLV. UNLV also pays SDSU close to a million for poaching Otz and I'm sure they can pay Henderson $250-300K and save a hundred or so there, so maybe some of that money can go to AJ in recognition of getting the Jacks women into the Sweet 16.
    Last edited by Grizzled LU; 03-28-2019 at 12:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSU4LIFE View Post
    If they are looking for it....then yes
    Two or three time increase is salary has a funny way of opening many coaches’ eyes to the possibility of looking for a change, not to mention the potential for the next jump to UNLV like school a few years later (which can mean another 2x or 3x salary increase again).

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    yer fighting an uphill battle vee myopia it runs amok in d2 fanboyland

    sometimes it’s just better to lol and pull the ripcord

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moorhead123 View Post
    Two or three time increase is salary has a funny way of opening many coaches’ eyes to the possibility of looking for a change, not to mention the potential for the next jump to UNLV like school a few years later (which can mean another 2x or 3x salary increase again).
    Yeah, any coach is going to know that pay goes up as you "climb the ladder" however, Sather is absolutely a Don Meyer guy and probably one of the most similar people to Don Meyer through the years. Just going off the personality, I dont see him trying to go anywhere. Besides, with only 23 coaches in over 100 years and only four in the past 62 or 63 years, there is a history there and none of those coaches left for another coaching job. Paul would be the first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSU4LIFE View Post
    Yeah, any coach is going to know that pay goes up as you "climb the ladder" however, Sather is absolutely a Don Meyer guy and probably one of the most similar people to Don Meyer through the years. Just going off the personality, I dont see him trying to go anywhere. Besides, with only 23 coaches in over 100 years and only four in the past 62 or 63 years, there is a history there and none of those coaches left for another coaching job. Paul would be the first.
    Sounds like you are due!

  12. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by northwest missouri state View Post
    yer fighting an uphill battle vee myopia it runs amok in d2 fanboyland

    sometimes it’s just better to lol and pull the ripcord
    Well said

  13. #73

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moorhead123 View Post
    Well said
    Farmer Fran is always there to clear things up.

  14. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzled LU View Post
    I was pushing that they give McCullom a look, primarily because he's a much better x and o's coach than TJ-- especially defense. There was also some board support for Doty. In the end, Henderson will probably allow them to hold on to some recruits that might have gone to UNLV. UNLV also pays SDSU close to a million for poaching Otz and I'm sure they can pay Henderson $250-300K and save a hundred or so there, so maybe some of that money can go to AJ in recognition of getting the Jacks women into the Sweet 16.
    Based on previous reactions when non-D1 coaches were being considered at SDSU, it in no way surprises me that there didn't appear to be much interest in either of those coaches.

    I'm biased as an Augie fan, but I do think it's humorous that when Nagy left, a decent number of SDSU fans were dismissive--if not outright insulting--regarding Billeter any time his name came up on twitter or on the SDSU message board as a potential replacement. At that point he had just won a National Championship and had been named National Coach of the Year, overall had proven to be a consistent winner as a D2 head coach, and also had 10+ (12 or 13 maybe?) years of high major D1 assistant experience (Arizona, St. John's, Texas A&M, etc.). In general, a solid resume, and he was dismissed as probably not being able to coach or compete at a higher level because he's at a D2 school.

    Frankly, McCollum has a very strong resume as well (though without any of the D1 experience at any level, assistant or head coach), and my guess is few people in the SDSU realm even considered him as an option, other than Zimmer including him on his list of 11 possible candidates to replace Otzelberger in the Argus.

    Yet now SDSU fans have a coach (who seems to be a great guy based on what Wayne St. fans are saying, which is important) whose entire resume is grad assistant experience at a D2 school, several years coaching high school in Wisconsin, and 3 years of assisting at a low/mid-major (NDSU) and two years of assisting at another low/mid-major (SDSU). Essentially 5 total years of D1 coaching experience as an assistant at lower level schools, yet somehow the idea of a coach like McCollum, Billeter, Doty, or even Sather is laughable to many SDSU fans and boosters just because they are D2 or lower-level coaches.

    Personally, I don't understand that mindset. I'm not complaining, as I'm perfectly content with Billeter still being here, especially with what it looks like we could be building toward with our young group at Augie. I would imagine NWMSU fans aren't crushed that McCollum wasn't offered the SDSU job. But if SDSU fans are most excited about Henderson because it means they might be able to keep Jenkins and the Grill kid, that's a pretty funny reason to be excited about a head coaching hire, particularly one with such limited experience. I'm by no means trying to imply that's the only reason Jackrabbit fans are excited, just saying that's a consistent attitude I've seen expressed online when Sell's decision to hire Henderson is being discussed. Either way, he must be a pretty highly regarded coach if he's that well-liked by the staffs he has been a part of.

    Obviously he has the potential to be very successful at SDSU, and if he really is a good guy then I hope that's the case. I like when good people succeed. It's just funny to see the contrast in fan reactions when, on paper, I don't really see how some of these proven winners aren't even being given a first thought, let alone a second thought.

  15. #75

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    Based on previous reactions when non-D1 coaches were being considered at SDSU, it in no way surprises me that there didn't appear to be much interest in either of those coaches.

    I'm biased as an Augie fan, but I do think it's humorous that when Nagy left, a decent number of SDSU fans were dismissive--if not outright insulting--regarding Billeter any time his name came up on twitter or on the SDSU message board as a potential replacement. At that point he had just won a National Championship and had been named National Coach of the Year, overall had proven to be a consistent winner as a D2 head coach, and also had 10+ (12 or 13 maybe?) years of high major D1 assistant experience (Arizona, St. John's, Texas A&M, etc.). In general, a solid resume, and he was dismissed as probably not being able to coach or compete at a higher level because he's at a D2 school.

    Frankly, McCollum has a very strong resume as well (though without any of the D1 experience at any level, assistant or head coach), and my guess is few people in the SDSU realm even considered him as an option, other than Zimmer including him on his list of 11 possible candidates to replace Otzelberger in the Argus.

    Yet now SDSU fans have a coach (who seems to be a great guy based on what Wayne St. fans are saying, which is important) whose entire resume is grad assistant experience at a D2 school, several years coaching high school in Wisconsin, and 3 years of assisting at a low/mid-major (NDSU) and two years of assisting at another low/mid-major (SDSU). Essentially 5 total years of D1 coaching experience as an assistant at lower level schools, yet somehow the idea of a coach like McCollum, Billeter, Doty, or even Sather is laughable to many SDSU fans and boosters just because they are D2 or lower-level coaches.

    Personally, I don't understand that mindset. I'm not complaining, as I'm perfectly content with Billeter still being here, especially with what it looks like we could be building toward with our young group at Augie. I would imagine NWMSU fans aren't crushed that McCollum wasn't offered the SDSU job. But if SDSU fans are most excited about Henderson because it means they might be able to keep Jenkins and the Grill kid, that's a pretty funny reason to be excited about a head coaching hire, particularly one with such limited experience. I'm by no means trying to imply that's the only reason Jackrabbit fans are excited, just saying that's a consistent attitude I've seen expressed online when Sell's decision to hire Henderson is being discussed. Either way, he must be a pretty highly regarded coach if he's that well-liked by the staffs he has been a part of.

    Obviously he has the potential to be very successful at SDSU, and if he really is a good guy then I hope that's the case. I like when good people succeed. It's just funny to see the contrast in fan reactions when, on paper, I don't really see how some of these proven winners aren't even being given a first thought, let alone a second thought.
    I think a number of d2 coaches have the resume to coach mid major d1, including Texas Tom. SDSU is a bit unique in that it has a very good program going in recent past so to hire from within and very quickly (to try to prevent too much disruption) makes most sense...similar to what ndsu football has continually done in past by hiring from within and with success due to overall program strength (not that SDSU basketball is at that level). I was joking about Sundance name coming up after one year head coach gig...I don’t believe he has resume yet to be in conversation, but maybe stranger things have happened? There does seem to be a youth movement going on for coaches at all different levels and different sports around the country...not sure that necessarily helps someone like Billeter, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moorhead123 View Post
    I think a number of d2 coaches have the resume to coach mid major d1, including Texas Tom. SDSU is a bit unique in that it has a very good program going in recent past so to hire from within and very quickly (to try to prevent too much disruption) makes most sense...similar to what ndsu football has continually done in past by hiring from within and with success due to overall program strength (not that SDSU basketball is at that level). I was joking about Sundance name coming up after one year head coach gig...I don’t believe he has resume yet to be in conversation, but maybe stranger things have happened? There does seem to be a youth movement going on for coaches at all different levels and different sports around the country...not sure that necessarily helps someone like Billeter, however.
    I definitely don't disagree with that. At the same time, you look at the D1 Sweet 16 right now, and it's not exactly an exclusively 35 and under crowd, so it's interesting to me how much of a priority gets placed on the need to hire a young up-and-comer by these mid-majors. Either way, it feels like both Doty and McCollum in particular fit that description (young up-and-comers) and aren't even being realistically considered in the conversation. At least at SDSU.

  17. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moorhead123 View Post
    SDSU is a bit unique in that it has a very good program going in recent past so to hire from within and very quickly (to try to prevent too much disruption) makes most sense...similar to what ndsu football has continually done in past by hiring from within and with success due to overall program strength (not that SDSU basketball is at that level).
    Basketball too...every hire after Miles has been promoted from within.

    And we all know how much SDSU aspires to be like the Mighty Bison....

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    I don’t get all the fuss about Doty. He needs to solve the MIAA first. Boschee and Ballard are quite a ways ahead of Doty and they have neither one won a MIAA title. I think Doty will do really good at ESU but I think he needs to prove it at the high D-2 level first to even be considered. McCollum may have to go be an assistant at the D-1 level in order to get a shot. I don’t agree with that but maybe he needs to have the recruiting experience at the D-1 level before someone will hire him. We all know he can coach. He has nothing left to prove in that area. Recruiting to a low-major or mid-major is a big challenge and kind of tricky.

  19. #79

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanger86 View Post
    Basketball too...every hire after Miles has been promoted from within.

    And we all know how much SDSU aspires to be like the Mighty Bison....
    Dont say that. I have always had nothing but a great experience with Jackrabbit athlete/friends back in the day and their fans...if they turn Bison it will be a complete flip. Bison fans are the worst, not all, but most.

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    I think some of the earlier dissing of D2 coaching talent on the Jacks board was from a Nagy quote that he had to completely relearn the coaching game upon transition. I don't even remember seeing that exact quote but lots of other board members did. I do remember Nagy saying that his best D2 teams would have probably won about 17 games a year in D1. That seemed realistic to me.

    I have no real problems with TJ, but think his coaching skills were a bit lacking, that horrible protect Daum at any cost zone during his first year being a case in point.

    I think the coaching change was primarily an attempt to hold on to DJJ and their recruits, although he must have been highly regarded by JS to get the nod.

    I suspect that "we have to get a D1 experienced assistant" game was tried and they've learned to be a bit more open in the future.

    I see a fair amount of Lindenwood games, and the fan experience, while not being particularly pleasant, is no where as bad as my drives to WIU, ORU, or UMKC. On my first trip to WIU a decade ago, I drove around the campus asking students where Western Hall was and none of them could tell me. Thank god for Google maps now. Oral Roberts literally had about 200 in a 10,000 seat arena and yet reported the attendance at 3000. Must have been a lot of angels dancing on the head of pins occupying those other seats.

    For the record, I believe that Augie would be a better fit than at least half of the Summit members and that some of the Jacks board members have been nouveau riche-- "we've moved to this McMansion, so stay out of our neighborhood" snots. However, they were more polite and treated their coach a lot better than what Otz is likely to find in Las Vegas.

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