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    Quote Originally Posted by iupgroundhog View Post
    That's an interesting observation. When I was in school all I needed was that cinderblock-walled dorm room. Amenities didn't mean anything to me. The storyline was that they built these facilities to keep up with the rest of the world and remain competitive on that front. Nevertheless, the decline in the state appropriation is the killer and I don't really think the legislature solicits feedback from the their constituents when doling it out. They just haven't supported it. And if you follow the changes during Democratic and Republican administrations in PA it's like a see-saw. It has come up during Dem administrations but overall it's dropped precipitously. I blame Republicans. It's black and white.
    College tuition increases by at least 5%/year which is far greater than the general inflation rate. And that's just tuition, not the amenity living facilities.

    https://www.savingforcollege.com/tut...gher-education

    For PASSHE, the demand has dropped, so it's time for the supplier to react like...

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevefo.../#1bb8e9b223fb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horror Child View Post
    College tuition increases by at least 5%/year which is far greater than the general inflation rate. And that's just tuition, not the amenity living facilities.

    https://www.savingforcollege.com/tut...gher-education

    For PASSHE, the demand has dropped, so it's time for the supplier to react like...

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevefo.../#1bb8e9b223fb

    The problem is, like healthcare, college is largely driven by personnel costs. And the cost of hiring people has increased significantly, even as technology has become much cheaper. Case in point, the worthless sandusky law that has ended up requiring the university does a background check of anyone who might encounter a 17 year old - most PASSHE universities had to do this for every academic employee, including student workers. If minimum wage for student workers goes to $15, there will be another huge increase in expenses. Costs to pay prevailing wage for construction, ever more personnel to monitor the ever increasing state imposed regulations. And yes, as some have mentioned, Faculty salaries at the top of the scale even for the expensive northeast. BTW, faculty compensation at Passhe has been decreasing relative to inflation - you should have seen the contract 30 years ago. Then there is the huge amount of corruption in the college's administration - I was reading recently of some problems at Bloom with their newly hired President, though all universities seem to have the same problems. IUP has had real problems getting good people to work in administration as well - sort of a peter principle thing I guess, but why college trustees always seem to screw up checking previous positions, and get fooled by smooth talkers has been disappointing.

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    IUP is looking at a 10% decline in its freshman class versus last year according to the IG. Fortunately some of that enrollment loss is mitigated by increased retention of enrolled students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    IUP is looking at a 10% decline in its freshman class versus last year according to the IG. Fortunately some of that enrollment loss is mitigated by increased retention of enrolled students.
    That's a worst case, it probably will be somewhat less than 10 , but still a decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironmaniup View Post
    That's a worst case, it probably will be somewhat less than 10 , but still a decline.
    Is that an IUP exclusive issue or is everybody else in the same boat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironmaniup View Post
    That's a worst case, it probably will be somewhat less than 10 , but still a decline.
    Sure will - still a lot of hopeful high school seniors holding out that they can brag at their grad party about going to Penn State or Pitt...main campus of course. Both schools play a terrible game of waitlisting applicants for the main campus without requiring them to commit to any Pitt or Penn State campus. The local private school in Moon Township picks up 50 or so deposits in late June and July from these kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    Is that an IUP exclusive issue or is everybody else in the same boat?
    I haven't heard alot about all the others, everybody has been keeping this number quiet - not sure why IUP published this - it can give a kid buyers remorse, or lose someone on the fence. I'll bet everyone is down like last year, the question will be how much. I wouldn't want to be at Clarion the next few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    IUP is looking at a 10% decline in its freshman class versus last year according to the IG. Fortunately some of that enrollment loss is mitigated by increased retention of enrolled students.

    I recently saw a clip of the IUP President on a Yinzerburgh Sunday morning show where they said they were planning for the drop in enrollment. So I guess there isn’t any panic in Sutton. Yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    IUP is looking at a 10% decline in its freshman class versus last year according to the IG. Fortunately some of that enrollment loss is mitigated by increased retention of enrolled students.
    Article stated retention up at IUP, but they are losing potential students to Penn State, Slippery Rock, West Chester, Bloomsburg, Temple and California

    https://www.indianagazette.com/news/...ea5041f15.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart View Post
    Article stated retention up at IUP, but they are losing potential students to Penn State, Slippery Rock, West Chester, Bloomsburg, Temple and California

    https://www.indianagazette.com/news/...ea5041f15.html
    Most telling line:
    PASSHE is predicting a continued decline in the number of high school graduates in Pennsylvania, especially after 2025.
    The economics of lesser demand, a steady supply, and increasing price just do not align. Unless Pennsylvania is going to import 18-year-olds in the next 5 years, then the other two factors will need to change.

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    Read an article on the current generation of high school and college students. Theirs is the generation with the largest percentage growing up as the only child - and the rate is increasing with younger generations. Millennials wanted facilities that matched their homes or the homes they wish they had. Generation Z and younger expect attention and services that provide greater personal attention. That can't be done with technology. Should be an interesting collision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horror Child View Post
    Most telling line:

    The economics of lesser demand, a steady supply, and increasing price just do not align. Unless Pennsylvania is going to import 18-year-olds in the next 5 years, then the other two factors will need to change.
    This is why I believe the PASSHE schools should be revamped into multi-faceted regional centers, retaining what's left of their traditional structure but morphing into centers for economic/laborforce/cultural development for the region they serve. As strictly academic institutions the writing is on the wall.

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    This is a good thing. Edinboro had to cut a degree program because every full time faculty member was full professor making $120k with a declining number of students. The department had a $250,000 annual deficit based on their faculty salaries alone before considering benefits and other expenses. The real kicker is that ten years ago the state paid $5M for a new building specifically designed for that one major.

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    This sounds optimistic at Cheyney

    https://www.phillytrib.com/news/loca...32357ba8e.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    "Robert Bogle, the president of The Philadelphia Tribune, is the chairman of the university’s council of trustees."

    Of course it sounds optimistic. But lodged in the middle of the article is the sentence above. So, you need to have skepticism regarding any Cheyney-related material published by The Philadelphia Tribune. In fact, if you put all the other quotes in the article ahead of what the President said the headline changes to something more doubtful. My guess is they will not balance the budget and they will ask for leniency...again.

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    Related to this thread was the announcement today that two HC jobs at CALU have opened up and it makes me feel like a significant contraction in the sports offered will be one of the canary in the coal mine indicators that the times are tough and getting tougher. ED DENNY, HC of WOMEN'S SWIMMING for 17 years has apparently resigned, though that hasn't been announced by SI yet. He has run a very nice competitive program that never had the overall strength of say a WCU , but still regularly produced good, and in one case, MELISSA GATES, a great swimmer. This may just be retirement since he is 60, but if swimming goes the way of tennis from the very elite in the country to totally lame, I'd just as soon shut it down. Which won't happen because these sports are needed to balance off scholarships against football. Coincidentally the other position posted was HC of WOMEN'S TENNIS. The collapse of this sport has been stunning. Under PABLO MONTANA, the team was 228-72 , winning PSAC on a regular basis, and competing against the best from across the country at the national tournament. In the three years since he left the record is 9-24 and again I'd say please end the embarrassment. This will be the 4th coach in 4 years which is awful. This season's HC and VOLUNTEER ASST never bothered to post their picture. Truly sad days.

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    Good news out of Harrisburg: https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/0...-21-years.html

    Three positive signs:

    1) Things are changing. Nothing big and visible but the "redesign" will be great and hopefully avoid any closures or mergers.

    2) The Chancellor is making HUGE progress with the faculty union. They're ahead on negotiating a new contract that seems fair to both sides (from what I've heard).

    3) Cheyney seems to be turning a corner. Enrollment is still down but their admissions profile is up significantly. It helps when you lose half your students but increase the honors enrollment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    Good news out of Harrisburg: https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/0...-21-years.html

    Three positive signs:
    1) Things are changing. Nothing big and visible but the "redesign" will be great and hopefully avoid any closures or mergers.
    2) The Chancellor is making HUGE progress with the faculty union. They're ahead on negotiating a new contract that seems fair to both sides (from what I've heard).
    3) Cheyney seems to be turning a corner. Enrollment is still down but their admissions profile is up significantly. It helps when you lose half your students but increase the honors enrollment.
    The schools are merging into one identity. So, you can now take courses offered by system schools other than the one you attend. How many courses? Will you soon be able to be enrolled in Kutztown and earn a degree from Shippensburg?

    I think soon there will be no more bragging about going to one school over another. It will be one big monolith with 14 different physical locations. School pride will be nonexistent, eventually. Just sayin'.

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