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    Bowie State
    VUU
    Chowan
    WSSU
    VSU
    FSU
    Shaw
    SAU
    Livingstone
    ECSU
    Lincoln
    JCSU

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT93bunny View Post
    Bowie State
    VUU
    Chowan
    WSSU
    VSU
    FSU
    Shaw
    SAU
    Livingstone
    ECSU
    Lincoln
    JCSU
    I cant disagree too much on this list. Here are my thoughts:

    Bowie State: The staff has two well paid coordinators with an assortment of assistants. What Bowie lacks in scholarships it flaunts in the coaching staff.
    VUU: The coaching staff has alot of CIAA veterans that have had alot of success combined with successful, young former student athletes.
    Shaw: Shaw has had issues lately, but its not based on the expertise on the field. Former Bowie State QB and current OC Lamar Manigo shines in the current crop. Shaw also knows how to coach defense, lead by its HC.

    Has some apparent holes:
    VSU: Lead by a former NFL player in Barlow, VSU is a school that has excelled on defense. The offense has continued to coach QB Cook to his full potential. Where the Trojans seem puzzling is on special teams.
    WSSU: WSSU has had the luxury of attracting former CIAA Head Coaches to the staff, many of who have had success within the conference and are specialists at their position. The coaching expertise is very strong on the defensive side of the ball. The offense remains a work in process (the lack of QB development is very questionable). Special Teams is below average even by the conference's standards.
    Chowan: Cant disagree here, as the Hawks are bolstered with a strong offensive background, while the defensive coaches have had success at individual positions. Chowan hasnt been a conference standout as an entire unit overt the years though.
    Livingstone: Say what you want about the Blue Bears, but the HC is really good as an offensive mind. The defensive side is also average to above average. What seems missing for this crop is the assistant coach support.
    Saint Augustine's: This is the same as Livingstone. Young but successful former student athletes man the coordinator positions, but after that the support for player development seems questionable.

    And then the rest:
    ECSU: Having former SWAC HC Anthony Jones is a plus, but ECSU needs more than volunteers or meager stipends for assistant coaches.
    Lincoln: Needs an OC desperately. And money for coaching too.
    JCSU: The Golden Bulls got rid of their coordinators, and Kermit has struggled during his tenure. The coaching staff cant seem to solve their offensive/defensive line problems year after year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gr8ness97 View Post
    I cant disagree too much on this list. Here are my thoughts:

    Bowie State: The staff has two well paid coordinators with an assortment of assistants. What Bowie lacks in scholarships it flaunts in the coaching staff.
    VUU: The coaching staff has alot of CIAA veterans that have had alot of success combined with successful, young former student athletes.
    Shaw: Shaw has had issues lately, but its not based on the expertise on the field. Former Bowie State QB and current OC Lamar Manigo shines in the current crop. Shaw also knows how to coach defense, lead by its HC.

    Has some apparent holes:
    VSU: Lead by a former NFL player in Barlow, VSU is a school that has excelled on defense. The offense has continued to coach QB Cook to his full potential. Where the Trojans seem puzzling is on special teams.
    WSSU: WSSU has had the luxury of attracting former CIAA Head Coaches to the staff, many of who have had success within the conference and are specialists at their position. The coaching expertise is very strong on the defensive side of the ball. The offense remains a work in process (the lack of QB development is very questionable). Special Teams is below average even by the conference's standards.
    Chowan: Cant disagree here, as the Hawks are bolstered with a strong offensive background, while the defensive coaches have had success at individual positions. Chowan hasnt been a conference standout as an entire unit overt the years though.
    Livingstone: Say what you want about the Blue Bears, but the HC is really good as an offensive mind. The defensive side is also average to above average. What seems missing for this crop is the assistant coach support.
    Saint Augustine's: This is the same as Livingstone. Young but successful former student athletes man the coordinator positions, but after that the support for player development seems questionable.

    And then the rest:
    ECSU: Having former SWAC HC Anthony Jones is a plus, but ECSU needs more than volunteers or meager stipends for assistant coaches.
    Lincoln: Needs an OC desperately. And money for coaching too.
    JCSU: The Golden Bulls got rid of their coordinators, and Kermit has struggled during his tenure. The coaching staff cant seem to solve their offensive/defensive line problems year after year.
    So what you are saying is $5,000 and a cafeteria meal plan isn't enough to attract a quality coach? LOL

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    I would make the following changes to this list:

    Bowie State
    VUU
    Chowan
    VSU
    FSU
    Shaw
    WSSU
    SAU
    Livingstone
    ECSU
    Lincoln
    JCSU

    Can't put them in front of coaching staffs they lost to. They don't play Chowan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegalRam View Post
    So what you are saying is $5,000 and a cafeteria meal plan isn't enough to attract a quality coach? LOL
    And to think, the Chancellor's salary and benefits package tops $300,000.00. Add in his supporting admin staff, and you're looking at an annual ECSU payout of over $1,000,000.00, and FSU's and WSSU's are even higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    And to think, the Chancellor's salary and benefits package tops $300,000.00. Add in his supporting admin staff, and you're looking at an annual ECSU payout of over $1,000,000.00, and FSU's and WSSU's are even higher.
    Consistent with the system structure based on system peer groups and the system market scale. I have no issues with it. You are quite the troll when you want to be. Not the first time you have thrown that out there on this board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    And to think, the Chancellor's salary and benefits package tops $300,000.00. Add in his supporting admin staff, and you're looking at an annual ECSU payout of over $1,000,000.00, and FSU's and WSSU's are even higher.
    You gotta let this one go man. Anderson's salary of 351,000 (with a 2018 raise) is not out of the norm for a UNC System president/chancellor of his tenure.

    Harold Martin at NC A&T makes 393,000
    Elwood Robinson at WSSU is a relatively newer chancellor making 283,000 (he didn't receive a raise last year thought it looks like he was eligible for one)
    Johnson Akinyele at NCCU makes $325,000 and is also relatively newer (less than three years, did get a bonus other than a raise)

    The chancellors at other UNC system schools make the following:
    UNC-G: 409
    UNC- Chapel Hill: 600+
    WCU: 345
    App State: 375
    UNC-W 391
    UNC-P: 313
    UNC-C: 484
    NC State: 664
    UNC School of the Arts: 316

    ECSU has a new chancellor, but no idea what she makes so far. The former chancellor was making 276,000.

    I guess maybe you feel some way because UNC-P's chancellor makes less than FSU's, but again...tenure does matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gr8ness97 View Post
    You gotta let this one go man. Anderson's salary of 351,000 (with a 2018 raise) is not out of the norm for a UNC System president/chancellor of his tenure.

    Harold Martin at NC A&T makes 393,000
    Elwood Robinson at WSSU is a relatively newer chancellor making 283,000 (he didn't receive a raise last year thought it looks like he was eligible for one)
    Johnson Akinyele at NCCU makes $325,000 and is also relatively newer (less than three years, did get a bonus other than a raise)

    The chancellors at other UNC system schools make the following:
    UNC-G: 409
    UNC- Chapel Hill: 600+
    WCU: 345
    App State: 375
    UNC-W 391
    UNC-P: 313
    UNC-C: 484
    NC State: 664
    UNC School of the Arts: 316

    ECSU has a new chancellor, but no idea what she makes so far. The former chancellor was making 276,000.

    I guess maybe you feel some way because UNC-P's chancellor makes less than FSU's, but again...tenure does matter.
    That part...

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    My only disagreement with this list is Bowie is #1. Amir Hall would make any coaching staff look good.

    I would move Bowie after WSSU and move everyone up.

    I don't know why VSU can't figure out the special teams. We have the worst special teams in the conference. Lincoln has a better kicker than us.

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    I have an issue with what the chancellors make from each school, especially when you look at the number of assistants they have on their staffs making 6 figure salaries, but yet can't afford a few more scholarships for their Division 2 football program for underprivileged potential players, to be on par with other programs, to me, something's wrong.

    On a side note, for what they actually do and the limited duties they perform, I believe all of the UNC System Chancellors are way overpaid, especially when you include their extra perks such as houses, cars, country club memberships, travel and meal expenses, multiple vacations, 10 assistants, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gr8ness97 View Post

    I guess maybe you feel some way because UNC-P's chancellor makes less than FSU's, but again...tenure does matter.
    Don't really give a $#*% what UNCP's chancellor makes (looking at the numbers, I'm sure their chancellor's overpaid too) , but I do know that their (and other UNC System Schools) assistant coaches make (and deserve) a lot more than $5,000 and a cafeteria meal plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    I have an issue with what the chancellors make from each school, especially when you look at the number of assistants they have on their staffs making 6 figure salaries, but yet can't afford a few more scholarships for their Division 2 football program for underprivileged potential players, to be on par with other programs, to me, something's wrong.

    On a side note, for what they actually do and the limited duties they perform, I believe all of the UNC System Chancellors are way overpaid, especially when you include their extra perks such as houses, cars, country club memberships, travel and meal expenses, multiple vacations, 10 assistants, etc.
    I don't usually agree with Eagle74 but I'm in the same boat with him on their salaries. The coaches and scholarships could be increased if their salaries and perks were lessened. It won't happen but with that they can't complain about their athletic programs since they are a contributing factor towards what it could have but does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OGramball3r View Post
    I don't usually agree with Eagle74 but I'm in the same boat with him
    LOL, No problem. It takes some people longer than others to finally come around. Luckily, father time blesses us all with a growing intellect and broadly sharpens our capability to recognize and accept common sense. This, while opening our minds to fully comprehend the more sensible and logical things in life, and at the same time slowly separating us from some past misguided and jaded perceived misconceptions. Congratulations, you my friend, are now headed in the right direction;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    LOL, No problem. It takes some people longer than others to finally come around. Luckily, father time blesses us all with a growing intellect and broadly sharpens our capability to recognize and accept common sense. This, while opening our minds to fully comprehend the more sensible and logical things in life, and at the same time slowly separating us from some past misguided and jaded perceived misconceptions. Congratulations, you my friend, are now headed in the right direction;)
    I dont disagree with the logic. Yes, they are paid too much, and making that money off the back of students. The issue I saw was the Athletic money doesnt come from exactly the same pot as Academic money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT93bunny View Post
    *Bowie State
    VUU
    Chowan
    WSSU
    VSU
    FSU
    Shaw
    SAU
    Livingstone
    ECSU
    Lincoln
    JCSU
    *Bowie State just lost their Offensive Coordinator to Division I FCS North Carolina Central.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    LOL, No problem. It takes some people longer than others to finally come around. Luckily, father time blesses us all with a growing intellect and broadly sharpens our capability to recognize and accept common sense. This, while opening our minds to fully comprehend the more sensible and logical things in life, and at the same time slowly separating us from some past misguided and jaded perceived misconceptions. Congratulations, you my friend, are now headed in the right direction;)
    Really!! Just had to say something huh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OGramball3r View Post
    Really!! Just had to say something huh!
    You may not be able to fully understand it, but it's actually a complement. Read it again slowly and take ownership of it, and then walk to the nearest mirror, look at the face looking back at you, smile, give a wink, and simply say congratulations;)

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