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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    This can’t be the size most high schools have across the line. My guess is because Allen has a gazillion kids going to the same HS they have this luxury.

    Bet they are hit hard by D1 schools looking for linemen.
    If you're recruiting many OL that make 6'3 275 seem massive then you're in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbonium View Post
    If you're recruiting many OL that make 6'3 275 seem massive then you're in trouble.
    Not so, this is an 18yo kid that hasn’t been put through through the program. He could be a solid 340lbs in two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    It is definitely going to be interesting to see how well the LSC schools do in recruiting this February. I have heard a lot of crazy stuff this year. One of the stories I heard was that an ACU commit has changed his mind and is going to Tarleton. Not sure what his offer was at ACU, but he’s massive for HS 6’3” 275 lbs.
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    Any idea why he changed his mind?
    I really don’t know for sure. ACU got a couple FBS O line drop downs and that might have taken his spot. Or possibly didn’t want to wait for playing time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbonium View Post
    If you're recruiting many OL that make 6'3 275 seem massive then you're in trouble.
    I agree with Techster, and I looked up average O-Line sizes in college football. I didn't fact check this guy, but anecdotally what he writes lines up with what I think I've often seen. Based on the below link, this kid is a high schooler who is already close to the average size of a starting lineman for a top 10 D2 team as of 2016. He should grow more as he ages, and now can be put in a better S/C program as well. Sounds like from purely size perspective he is larger than the norm. Regarding talent, as Pops said if he is so much larger than the average D2 recruit then why is he not going D1?

    http://www.lineprotips.com/blg/colle...e-lineman-size

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSCfan1 View Post
    I really don’t know for sure. ACU got a couple FBS O line drop downs and that might have taken his spot. Or possibly didn’t want to wait for playing time.
    Yeah, I would think the ACU offer was better. Obviously, he has some talent or a FCS D1 School wouldn’t have been looking at him.

    TAMUK is recruiting hard, it’s a shame that the word is out around here about how bad their facilities are.

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    There is a huge difference in high school 6'5" 300 and actual size. Even college size haha. You don't get accurate rosters until the pros. True 6'3" 275 is a good size for a lineman in hs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    Not so, this is an 18yo kid that hasn’t been put through through the program. He could be a solid 340lbs in two years.
    LOL, 6'3 340 lbs yeah sounds likely. I'm well aware of what a good S&C program can do, I would guess much more aware than yourself. But ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbonium View Post
    LOL, 6'3 340 lbs yeah sounds likely. I'm well aware of what a good S&C program can do, I would guess much more aware than yourself. But ok.
    Who is the awarest of all in this regard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbonium View Post
    LOL, 6'3 340 lbs yeah sounds likely. I'm well aware of what a good S&C program can do, I would guess much more aware than yourself. But ok.
    You must be bored and need a sparring partner. I’ll be conservative and say this kid is 315 lbs in two years and solid. I really can’t think of one HC in D2 that would be unhappy if they had a line where all their linemen were 6’3 and weighed 315 lbs.

    I promise you they would be running all over defenses. But who knows I’m sure all the linemen at Pueblo are 6’5 350 lbs. and that they are plentiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    You must be bored and need a sparring partner. I’ll be conservative and say this kid is 315 lbs in two years and solid. I really can’t think of one HC in D2 that would be unhappy if they had a line where all their linemen were 6’3 and weighed 315 lbs.

    I promise you they would be running all over defenses. But who knows I’m sure all the linemen at Pueblo are 6’5 350 lbs. and that they are plentiful.
    Not bored, that's simply not massive.

    From Pueblo's 2018 roster:
    So 6'2 340
    RS Fr 6'5 315
    Fr 6'4 302
    Rs Fr 6'4 296
    Fr 6'8 292
    Rs Fr 6'3 290
    Rs Fr 6'6 275

    This also doesn't mean that they'd be running all over defenses. Size might matter, but you need more than size to get the job done properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin' Cat View Post
    Who is the awarest of all in this regard?
    Danny Woodhead, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    This can’t be the size most high schools have across the line. My guess is because Allen has a gazillion kids going to the same HS they have this luxury.

    Bet they are hit hard by D1 schools looking for linemen.
    The 6A Big 1 does have this size acroos the line. Of course your Center is not that big (usually). And there are the rare 6'6+ and 5'11 guys too.

    The average is going to drop as drop down divisions....but I have seen 6'7+ OL at 2A....but NOT the "average". But you stated that 6'3 275 was "massive for hs", and that is simply no longer the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbonium View Post
    If you're recruiting many OL that make 6'3 275 seem massive then you're in trouble.
    Agree 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by We-Are-Lions View Post
    I agree with Techster, and I looked up average O-Line sizes in college football. I didn't fact check this guy, but anecdotally what he writes lines up with what I think I've often seen. Based on the below link, this kid is a high schooler who is already close to the average size of a starting lineman for a top 10 D2 team as of 2016. He should grow more as he ages, and now can be put in a better S/C program as well. Sounds like from purely size perspective he is larger than the norm. Regarding talent, as Pops said if he is so much larger than the average D2 recruit then why is he not going D1?

    http://www.lineprotips.com/blg/colle...e-lineman-size
    Hey brother, thanks for that link. VERY INTERESTING. So the average DII OL is 6'3 290 lbs & D1 OL 6'4 300 lbs. So, a 6'3 275 lb HS Sr that moves on to college ball is more the norm than the oddity. Really interesting.

    As far as talent.....if a player is a two way "Superman" that one needs to brag about, then he IS a TOP D1 recruit. If he is a DII recruit, something is wrong (grades, talent, trouble......SOMETHING).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbonium View Post
    LOL, 6'3 340 lbs yeah sounds likely. I'm well aware of what a good S&C program can do, I would guess much more aware than yourself. But ok.
    LOL. 275 to 340 is CRAZY....HAHAHAHAHA. 65lb weight gain? Boy better lay off them chocolate covered twinkies. HA!

    I will vouch for TURB, he ABSOLUTELY knows what S&C can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    You must be bored and need a sparring partner. I’ll be conservative and say this kid is 315 lbs in two years and solid. I really can’t think of one HC in D2 that would be unhappy if they had a line where all their linemen were 6’3 and weighed 315 lbs.

    I promise you they would be running all over defenses. But who knows I’m sure all the linemen at Pueblo are 6’5 350 lbs. and that they are plentiful.
    IMHO, each young man reaches his peack at different times. Some guys hit top height by 14 or 15 and others keep growing until 18 or 20. As far as weight...I mean the skies the limit, but a well conditioned HS Sr will probably put on 15 to 20 lbs during his college career IF it is lean muscle. Thats an average.

    Then of course you have cases like Jay Ratliff, who came to Auburn as a tight end, went from 230 lbs to 280 lbs and then was a 300 lb DT for the Dallas Cowboys..... or Sen'Derrick Marks who went from 250 lbs to 300 lbs and was a 2nd round draft pick for the Tennessee Titans. Then you got Alabama's Chris Samuels, who busted up from 260 lbs, as a college freshman, to 310 lbs when he signed with the Redskins.

    So, yes, guys can gain 50+ lbs during a full college career, but it is VERY RARE.

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    I obviously had no opinions on this topic.

    LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbonium View Post
    Not bored, that's simply not massive.

    From Pueblo's 2018 roster:
    So 6'2 340
    RS Fr 6'5 315
    Fr 6'4 302
    Rs Fr 6'4 296
    Fr 6'8 292
    Rs Fr 6'3 290
    Rs Fr 6'6 275

    This also doesn't mean that they'd be running all over defenses. Size might matter, but you need more than size to get the job done properly.
    No wonder CSUP is a top tier team in D2 with linemen that size. I would hate to be feeding those guys on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbonium View Post
    Not bored, that's simply not massive.

    From Pueblo's 2018 roster:
    So 6'2 340
    RS Fr 6'5 315
    Fr 6'4 302
    Rs Fr 6'4 296
    Fr 6'8 292
    Rs Fr 6'3 290
    Rs Fr 6'6 275
    Average of 6' 3" 5/8 301

    This also doesn't mean that they'd be running all over defenses. Size might matter, but you need more than size to get the job done properly.
    ASU's was as follows:
    LT: 6'4" 290 (SR)
    LG: 6'4" 305 (Jr.)
    C: 6'3" 290 (Soph)
    RG: 6'5" 300 (Jr.)
    RT: 6'3" 290 (Sr.)
    Backups:
    6'5" 270 (So)
    6'1" 340 (Jr)
    6'2" 290 (So)
    6'2" 280 (Jr)
    6'5" 285 (rFr)

    Average for our 2 deep was
    6' 3 1/2" 294.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASURAM2010 View Post
    ASU's was as follows:
    LT: 6'4" 290 (SR)
    LG: 6'4" 305 (Jr.)
    C: 6'3" 290 (Soph)
    RG: 6'5" 300 (Jr.)
    RT: 6'3" 290 (Sr.)
    Backups:
    6'5" 270 (So)
    6'1" 340 (Jr)
    6'2" 290 (So)
    6'2" 280 (Jr)
    6'5" 285 (rFr)

    Average for our 2 deep was
    6' 3 1/2" 294.
    I was only listing underclassmen to show that 275 in high school isn't massive. Big? Yes. Not massive.

    Pueblo will be skewed by the Baylor transfer that is listed at like 360 (was closer to 380 in reality) if I include upperrclassmen. He will be down to around 340 for the 2019 season, if he can do that he will make a lot of money playing on Sundays.

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