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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    You missed the point entirely. tu greed and unwillingness to share is why the BigXII is now the MediumX. Somehow I don’t see TCU and WVU carrying the same weight as Nebraska, Mizzou, A&M, & Colorado. This is why the BigXII is not in a position of power and has no chance of catching up all because tu couldn’t see the forest because the trees kept getting in their way. The bigger payday was down the road. Here’s one for you THERE IS SAFETY IN NUMBERS.
    Putting Mizzou and Colorado in the same category as Aggy and Cornhusker is problematic. Those two have never been athletic powers, save for a few years here and there and never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catatonic View Post
    Exactly. The B12 Brand has been damaged by the loss of the schools who have moved to greener pastures. TAMU might have done the same thing given the opportunity, but that’s beside the point. The point is conferences in which the lowliest members have a seat at the decision making/revenue sharing table are in a better position to negotiate future media contracts than the B12. The SEC picked up two revenue enhancers from the B12 precisely because Alabama doesn’t abuse its power at the expense of Ole Miss or Vandy. The Tide understands the concept of united we stand, divided we fall.

    You are right. Alabama finds other ways to show it’s power. If you don’t think they don’t have a louder bark in the smoke filled rooms at the SEC meetings or among media execs , I hear there is some ocean front property in Arizona for you to go bid on. And like the pack mentality that is laughable to those who live outside of SEC country, the pack just goes along with it because why rock a ship when things are good (cash flow). The second a crack develops, the SEC blind mice will turn into flesh eating rats on Bama’s carcass. Mark my words.

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    Putting Mizzou and Colorado in the same category as Aggy and Cornhusker is problematic. Those two have never been athletic powers, save for a few years here and there and never will.
    Maybe not, but once again would the Big XII be better off today with all those schools retained plus WVU and TCU? Could it be that this group could command as much as any other conference?

    Instead of thinking should tu travel coast to coast for a better deal, maybe should have thought let’s fix up our own house and see who wants to be part us. But, that would require the shoehorns actually trying to build something rather than tearing down others for their own benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
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    Maybe not, but once again would the Big XII be better off today with all those schools retained plus WVU and TCU? Could it be that this group could command as much as any other conference?

    Instead of thinking should tu travel coast to coast for a better deal, maybe should have thought let’s fix up our own house and see who wants to be part us. But, that would require the shoehorns actually trying to build something rather than tearing down others for their own benefit.
    Greed of Texas got the Big 12 in this predicament.

    It all came down at a pivotal In 2010 meeting in Kansas City of the conference’s presidents. At issue was the future of the conference, and the core issue of that was the ceding by all member schools of their Tier 1 media rights to the conference - like the other major conferences.

    The Nebraska chancellor ultimately pressed the William Powers (aptly named) whether Texas would cede their media rights (LHN) to the conference. Powers said “we are not prepared to do that.”

    A week later, Nebraska joined the Big 10, CU the PAC, and others left shortly thereafter.

    That meeting sealed the fate of the conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSC Fan View Post
    You are right. Alabama finds other ways to show it’s power. If you don’t think they don’t have a louder bark in the smoke filled rooms at the SEC meetings or among media execs , I hear there is some ocean front property in Arizona for you to go bid on. And like the pack mentality that is laughable to those who live outside of SEC country, the pack just goes along with it because why rock a ship when things are good (cash flow). The second a crack develops, the SEC blind mice will turn into flesh eating rats on Bama’s carcass. Mark my words.
    The “pack mentality” has served the SEC well. Fans Of other conferences may laugh but there is a reason why their conferences hold member schools hostage by requiring them to assign media rights to the conference while no such penalty is needed in the SEC. Arkansas or LSU could leave the SEC tomorrow to join the B12 without owing the SEC a dime. There’s a better chance that pigs will fly but they they could leave if they chose to do so.

    If you think LSU, Florida, Georgia or Tennessee let Alabama run roughshod over them behind closed doors, you don’t know much about the SEC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catatonic View Post
    The “pack mentality” has served the SEC well. Fans Of other conferences may laugh but there is a reason why their conferences hold member schools hostage by requiring them to assign media rights to the conference while no such penalty is needed in the SEC. Arkansas or LSU could leave the SEC tomorrow to join the B12 without owing the SEC a dime. There’s a better chance that pigs will fly but they they could leave if they chose to do so.

    If you think LSU, Florida, Georgia or Tennessee let Alabama run roughshod over them behind closed doors, you don’t know much about the SEC.
    This. Bama is the current flavor of the day in the SEC due to football success, but they haven’t always been and they won’t always be. All conference members have an equal vote, as they do in the other P5 conferences besides the Big 12. Of course, the Big 12 isn’t twelve at all and hasn’t been for years. A misrepresentation that provides an ironic and telling metaphor of the conference as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catatonic View Post
    The “pack mentality” has served the SEC well. Fans Of other conferences may laugh but there is a reason why their conferences hold member schools hostage by requiring them to assign media rights to the conference while no such penalty is needed in the SEC. Arkansas or LSU could leave the SEC tomorrow to join the B12 without owing the SEC a dime. There’s a better chance that pigs will fly but they they could leave if they chose to do so.

    If you think LSU, Florida, Georgia or Tennessee let Alabama run roughshod over them behind closed doors, you don’t know much about the SEC.
    You bring up some valid points about LSU and Arkansas. LSU is much too entrenched with rivalries in the SEC to ever jump ship. But, Arkansas could gain traction and respectability if they wanted to join BigXII. It would reopen their access to Texas recruits plus more winnable games on schedule instead of the current gauntlet.

    Two obstacles to overcome. tu and their my house my rules mentality and a cut in pay. So, no Arkansas will remain an also ran for years to come.

    Another question comes to mind, what P5 school with sane leadership would join the Big XII? My guess is none until things change drastically and hurt tu where it counts and that’s the pocket book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herb Street View Post
    To do what? DirecTV is a transmittor of content, not a producer.
    They are both via AT&T owning them and Time Warner. That was the only point I was making.


    Quote Originally Posted by Herb Street View Post
    I feel dumber having to even post this, but...

    The PAC already tried, and failed, to negotiate its own private network with Directv. It’s called the PAC 12 network. And it’s revenues per year per school are about $1.5 million. About enough to fund 15 percent of a middling D2 athletics program.

    Obviously if there was end-user (and advertiser) demand for PAC 12 content, the numbers would be much higher. It has been a flop.

    You can read much more here:

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/art...s-10910339.php

    Hope this helps.

    The media landscape has changed since the Pac-12 Network was created, but the Pac-12 has not kept up. Perhaps this is where a for-profit investor can help out.


    Insiders at the Pac-12 headquarters say Scott (Pac-12 Commissioner) could have, and should have, got a distribution deal done with DirecTV. Scott locked up cable companies early. And then, he engaged DirecTV in a standoff that one high-ranking conference official called, "a staring contest."

    Cable companies have always been willing to pay premium rates for sports content that viewers in their footprint care deeply about. Not everyone loves to watch the Pac-12, though. The advantage cable companies had was that they could turn on/off the programming, creating packages that worked for their subscribers. DirecTV could not at the time, and as a result it needed rates that wouldn't be costly to subscribers who were not interested in the Pac-12 Network.

    Trouble is, discount provisions in the contracts Scott negotiated with the cable companies and Dish Network would kick in if he discounted the rates for DirecTV. Basically, he'd have to unwind the contracts and give money back.

    Scott had a dilemma: He could either have eyeballs of millions of DirecTV households or he could hold the line on rates.

    Said one conference executive: "The thinking was that Pac-12 fans would raise so much noise that DirecTV would eventually have to agree to a deal. I think Larry overestimated how rabid the Pac-12 fan would be about calling DirecTV to raise hell.

    "SEC fans would have gone into DirecTV with molotov cocktails."

    AT&T now owns DirecTV. It's in the content business and now it's not only refusing to cut a distribution deal with the Pac-12 Conference, it's removed the programming from U-Verse service.
    The end result is
    Who was the first person to look at a cow and say, "I think I'll squeeze these dangly things here, and drink whatever comes out?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    You bring up some valid points about LSU and Arkansas. LSU is much too entrenched with rivalries in the SEC to ever jump ship. But, Arkansas could gain traction and respectability if they wanted to join BigXII. It would reopen their access to Texas recruits plus more winnable games on schedule instead of the current gauntlet.

    Two obstacles to overcome. tu and their my house my rules mentality and a cut in pay. So, no Arkansas will remain an also ran for years to come.

    Another question comes to mind, what P5 school with sane leadership would join the Big XII? My guess is none until things change drastically and hurt tu where it counts and that’s the pocket book.
    Arkansas isn’t going to leave $43 million in annual tier 1 payouts for something as uncertain as the Big 12. Neither is any other P5 team, as evidenced by the Big 12’s beauty contest party a few years back. The only programs that showed to the party were G5s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herb Street View Post
    Arkansas isn’t going to leave $43 million in annual tier 1 payouts for something as uncertain as the Big 12. Neither is any other P5 team, as evidenced by the Big 12’s beauty contest party a few years back. The only programs that showed to the party were G5s.
    Agree 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herb Street View Post
    There's the B1G, the SEC, and everyone else.

    The B1G will go after Texas and OU, and parlay that into a $75 million-per-school split. The Big 12 will be left with inviting UNM and North Texas, possibly SMU and Houston, and have a payout of around $15-20 million per school. There will be no heavy hitters remaining in the Big 12.

    The B1G and SEC will then form an alliance, withdraw from the NCAA, and have their own championships and rules. Everyone else will do their own deal.
    UNM Football wise they would be terrible but basketball? Would probably be pretty competitive sooner than later, would also have the 3rd largest arena in the cinference behind texas and Kansas. ABQ is a basketball town.

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