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    Why was the MW coach screaming and yelling at #5? He took him out of the game and looked like he was reading him the riot act.

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    I REALLY hope Sunny gets Mo West competing at the top of the MIAA in the next 3-4 years. I think he is a great guy and his energy and enthusiasm are infectious if he is on your side, but I can absolutely see opposing teams hating him, especially NWMSU fans. The Grifs have a long way to go to get competitive with NWMSU, but man would it be fun for the rest of us to watch Sunny get under people's skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I REALLY hope Sunny gets Mo West competing at the top of the MIAA in the next 3-4 years. I think he is a great guy and his energy and enthusiasm are infectious if he is on your side, but I can absolutely see opposing teams hating him, especially NWMSU fans. The Grifs have a long way to go to get competitive with NWMSU, but man would it be fun for the rest of us to watch Sunny get under people's skin.
    It appears he's already there with some. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrifFan View Post
    I get that you're trolling here, but it's pretty ironic somebody who cautioned me about the outlier nature of Saturday night's game is willing to make such sweeping judgments about the other team and coach. It's also odd that you're trolling somebody who has said nothing but positive things about your basketball team. But Bearcats gotta Bearcat, I guess. Keep doing you.
    Don’t worry, I will keep calling them as I see them. Call it whatever you want; it’s my opinion and I’m not going to stop sharing. Call them judgments, that’s fine, but they are my observations and you can agree or disagree with them; that’s definitely your prerogative. I noticed you didn’t try to address those “judgments”; but that’s okay. You do generally provide good input. You do however,make it sound like you think NW could play Duke and it would be a game.

    I’d like MW to get better and get better sooner rather than later. I’m old enuf to remember the Smith/Tapp led teams battle each other tooth and nail. It didn’t matter what their records were; you knew it was going to an intense contest that often went down to the wire. That was fun stuff and I really want it to get back to that level. I don’t want NW to slide; so that means if it’s gonna happen, MW is gonna have to build to a higher level. Wicks chose to play down the rivalry all week; which I can understand to a certain extent; but I think it may have helped to hype it up a little bit.

    Bearcats gotta Bearcat....I actually like that phrase.
    I’ll keep that in my back pocket. Good luck to the Griffs out west; they have proven they can win away from home and knocking off Hays on Thursday evening would be all right with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I REALLY hope Sunny gets Mo West competing at the top of the MIAA in the next 3-4 years. I think he is a great guy and his energy and enthusiasm are infectious if he is on your side, but I can absolutely see opposing teams hating him, especially NWMSU fans. The Grifs have a long way to go to get competitive with NWMSU, but man would it be fun for the rest of us to watch Sunny get under people's skin.
    I just posted in another response that I would be in favor of Wicks getting MOWest more competitive. Drubbings don’t make for a good rivalry. MW/NW games used to be don’t miss type of games. I’d rather have a two point win that was intense as hell than the game I saw Saturday night.

    I wouldn’t go as far as saying I hate Wicks. Building off a similar term used previously in this thread; I thinks it’s “Wicks gotta Wick”. It’s his shtick....if it works for him to build a quality team that can rekindle what was once a competitive rivalry then bring it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86Catillac View Post
    Don’t worry, I will keep calling them as I see them. Call it whatever you want; it’s my opinion and I’m not going to stop sharing. Call them judgments, that’s fine, but they are my observations and you can agree or disagree with them; that’s definitely your prerogative. I noticed you didn’t try to address those “judgments”; but that’s okay. You do generally provide good input. You do however,make it sound like you think NW could play Duke and it would be a game.

    I’d like MW to get better and get better sooner rather than later. I’m old enuf to remember the Smith/Tapp led teams battle each other tooth and nail. It didn’t matter what their records were; you knew it was going to an intense contest that often went down to the wire. That was fun stuff and I really want it to get back to that level. I don’t want NW to slide; so that means if it’s gonna happen, MW is gonna have to build to a higher level. Wicks chose to play down the rivalry all week; which I can understand to a certain extent; but I think it may have helped to hype it up a little bit.

    Bearcats gotta Bearcat....I actually like that phrase.
    I’ll keep that in my back pocket. Good luck to the Griffs out west; they have proven they can win away from home and knocking off Hays on Thursday evening would be all right with me.
    You're certainly welcome to your opinion and observations and to share them as you see fit. It's just funny to me that you try to tell me it's an outlier for NW but indicative of deep problems for MW.

    I may have exaggerated Northwest's prowess, but not my much. My honest take: they are clearly the class of the conference, and will probably clinch the title well before that last game at Washburn unless things change dramatically. In the 20+ years I've been watching the conference, guard play is the best predictor of success, and I think you were the one that said Northwest has the best backcourt in the conference (if not, forgive me - all you GreenHats look alike). That doesn't mean they'll go undefeated of course; any given night - the wrong player gets food poisoning or the flu or foul trouble or just has an off night - but unless a key player or three are out for a significant amount of time they will win the conference. Regionally, I haven't seen as many teams but just looking at the numbers it seems pretty clear already the regional will go through Maryville.

    I've been wrong before. If I'm wrong now and the Bearcats flame out, I can't say I'll lose much sleep over my lack of expertise. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86Catillac View Post
    I just posted in another response that I would be in favor of Wicks getting MOWest more competitive. Drubbings don’t make for a good rivalry. MW/NW games used to be don’t miss type of games. I’d rather have a two point win that was intense as hell than the game I saw Saturday night.

    I wouldn’t go as far as saying I hate Wicks. Building off a similar term used previously in this thread; I thinks it’s “Wicks gotta Wick”. It’s his shtick....if it works for him to build a quality team that can rekindle what was once a competitive rivalry then bring it on.
    "Shtick" good one. OR...its his personality that he has had since I first met him in 2004, so probably longer. I'm not a high energy guy and it isn't for everyone. But it's contagious and people are drawn to him as they get to know him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSU4LIFE View Post
    "Shtick" good one. OR...its his personality that he has had since I first met him in 2004, so probably longer. I'm not a high energy guy and it isn't for everyone. But it's contagious and people are drawn to him as they get to know him.
    I can see that. He seems like a nice enuf fella. I prefer him over the last MW coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWFanatic View Post
    Why was the MW coach screaming and yelling at #5? He took him out of the game and looked like he was reading him the riot act.
    Just watched a replay of the game and backed it up a couple of times to the point of #5's exit by his coach. It looked like he may have lost some focus and made a dumb foul. Sundance did not like what he was doing at that point and pulled him. Please understand, this is only my observation and in listening to Tom Smith talk about the situation seems like a good response.

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    Here are the 15 teams that I think have a shot at the regional. It's crazy just how close 2-15 in the region are.

    1 Northwest Missouri State
    2 Washburn
    3 Southern Nazarene
    4 Northern State
    5 Missouri Southern
    6 Minnesota State
    7 Wayne State (Neb.)
    8 St. Cloud State
    9 Pittsburg State
    10 Sioux Falls
    11 Lincoln (Mo.)
    12 Southern Arkansas
    13 Augustana
    14 Fort Hays State
    15 MSU Moorhead

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    Yes, 2 thru 15 have been close all year. The top 15 is made up of 7 NSIC schools, 6 MIAA schools and 2 GAC schools. There is a lot of basketball to be played so these 14 schools (excluding NWMS) will jockey around alot. 9 or 10 games left on the schedule for everyone. Should be an exciting 5 weeks. From the MIAA's prospective, the MIAA post-season tourney should be very competitive with 5 schools fighting probably for 2 spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Here are the 15 teams that I think have a shot at the regional. It's crazy just how close 2-15 in the region are.

    1 Northwest Missouri State
    2 Washburn
    3 Southern Nazarene
    4 Northern State
    5 Missouri Southern
    6 Minnesota State
    7 Wayne State (Neb.)
    8 St. Cloud State
    9 Pittsburg State
    10 Sioux Falls
    11 Lincoln (Mo.)
    12 Southern Arkansas
    13 Augustana
    14 Fort Hays State
    15 MSU Moorhead
    4 NSIC teams, man that's optimistic. I'm only seeing maybe 2 and the second, after Northern, probably has to win out from this point, and I don't see any of the teams being able to do that.

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    schnautza's latest PI. Apologies if I accidentally deleted anybody.

    Quote Originally Posted by schnautza View Post
    RANK Team Region Conference Record Win% P.I. O.W% O.O.W% Regional Record Regional%
    2 Northwest Missouri State Central MIAA 16-0 100.00% 17.38 47.17% 54.89% 15-0 100.00%
    15 Southern Nazarene Central GAC 17-3 85.00% 15.50 45.77% 50.84% 16-3 84.21%
    18 Washburn Central MIAA 12-4 75.00% 15.44 57.38% 51.71% 11-4 73.33%
    31 Northern State Central NSIC 15-5 75.00% 14.75 50.65% 51.03% 14-5 73.68%
    34 Missouri Southern Central MIAA 13-4 76.47% 14.65 48.91% 55.00% 13-4 76.47%
    47 St. Cloud State Central NSIC 13-6 68.42% 14.26 52.22% 51.45% 11-6 64.71%
    53 Wayne State (Neb.) Central NSIC 12-5 70.59% 14.06 47.64% 51.42% 12-5 70.59%
    56 Minnesota State Central NSIC 13-6 68.42% 13.95 51.76% 51.58% 12-5 70.59%
    57 Pittsburg State Central MIAA 12-5 70.59% 13.94 50.39% 53.34% 11-5 68.75%
    59 Lincoln (Mo.) Central MIAA 11-5 68.75% 13.94 49.80% 51.98% 11-5 68.75%
    61 Southern Arkansas Central GAC 12-4 75.00% 13.88 44.16% 49.94% 12-4 75.00%
    68 Sioux Falls Central NSIC 13-6 68.42% 13.63 47.58% 52.09% 13-6 68.42%
    79 Augustana Central NSIC 12-7 63.16% 13.32 50.25% 49.48% 12-7 63.16%
    82 Fort Hays State Central MIAA 9-6 60.00% 13.27 53.00% 51.59% 9-6 60.00%
    89 East Central Central GAC 10-6 62.50% 13.00 51.46% 48.35% 9-6 60.00%
    107 Lindenwood Central MIAA 8-10 44.44% 12.61 64.25% 49.99% 6-8 42.86%
    116 MSU Moorhead Central NSIC 9-7 56.25% 12.50 47.61% 52.02% 9-5 64.29%
    121 Minnesota Duluth Central NSIC 9-7 56.25% 12.44 49.48% 51.26% 9-7 56.25%
    123 Henderson State Central GAC 9-6 60.00% 12.40 45.37% 49.57% 9-6 60.00%
    125 Oklahoma Baptist Central GAC 10-7 58.82% 12.35 47.47% 50.16% 10-7 58.82%
    125 Northeastern State Central MIAA 9-8 52.94% 12.35 53.60% 51.66% 9-8 52.94%
    156 Central Missouri Central MIAA 8-8 50.00% 11.63 53.23% 52.42% 8-8 50.00%
    178 Central Oklahoma Central MIAA 6-11 35.29% 11.12 58.52% 50.66% 6-11 35.29%
    180 Arkansas-Monticello Central GAC 7-8 46.67% 11.07 45.82% 48.55% 7-8 46.67%
    182 Minnesota Crookston Central NSIC 7-10 41.18% 11.06 50.75% 50.29% 7-10 41.18%
    184 Missouri Western Central MIAA 9-11 45.00% 11.00 48.40% 53.52% 9-10 47.37%
    192 U-Mary Central NSIC 7-11 38.89% 10.83 51.80% 49.98% 7-11 38.89%
    195 Southwest Minnesota State Central NSIC 7-9 43.75% 10.81 50.39% 51.11% 7-9 43.75%
    202 Southwest Baptist Central MIAA 5-8 38.46% 10.69 52.11% 53.88% 5-8 38.46%
    212 Winona State Central NSIC 6-11 35.29% 10.47 54.88% 49.61% 6-11 35.29%
    216 Ouachita Baptist Central GAC 6-9 40.00% 10.27 48.39% 48.56% 6-9 40.00%
    222 Emporia State Central MIAA 4-11 26.67% 10.00 56.49% 50.84% 4-11 26.67%
    225 Nebraska Kearney Central MIAA 4-12 25.00% 9.88 57.39% 50.99% 4-12 25.00%
    234 Arkansas Tech Central GAC 6-12 33.33% 9.72 48.54% 48.92% 6-11 35.29%
    238 Minot State Central NSIC 5-13 27.78% 9.61 53.79% 50.48% 5-13 27.78%
    244 Upper Iowa Central NSIC 6-14 30.00% 9.50 51.83% 50.93% 6-14 30.00%
    254 Bemidji State Central NSIC 4-11 26.67% 9.27 51.61% 50.99% 3-11 21.43%
    267 Northwestern Oklahoma State Central GAC 5-13 27.78% 8.94 50.99% 48.98% 5-13 27.78%
    271 Harding Central GAC 3-13 18.75% 8.88 56.04% 47.45% 3-13 18.75%
    275 Concordia-St. Paul Central NSIC 5-13 27.78% 8.44 48.86% 50.24% 5-11 31.25%
    283 Southwestern Oklahoma State Central GAC 3-14 17.65% 7.88 50.59% 48.56% 3-14 17.65%

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    Quote Originally Posted by simple as a $3 bill View Post
    4 NSIC teams, man that's optimistic. I'm only seeing maybe 2 and the second, after Northern, probably has to win out from this point, and I don't see any of the teams being able to do that.
    That is what I thought at first too, but when I actually looked at it I think it's possible. I think the top 3 MIAA teams are in barring a late season collapse, but I don't think Pitt St, Lincoln, or Fort Hays has any stronger resume than the NSIC teams listed. If the NSIC keeps knocking each other off its possible a fourth MIAA or a second GAC team could make it. I've been saying it all year and I will continue to say it, I think everyone else in the region would be happy is St. Cloud stays home in March. They have not played well most of the season, but I still think their ceiling is among the best in the region.

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    Oklahoma Baptist or Southern Arkansas would be the 2nd team from the GAC that has a chance. Oklahoma Baptist lost quite a few games early but they are tied for 1st in the GAC with Southern Nazarene. We played them the 1st game of the year and beat them in OT. They are very talented. They have 7 losses but based on recent results, I think they have a legitimate chance of sneaking in. I think 3 will make it from the MIAA. I think Lincoln and Pitt State have a chance of being one of the three if they finish strong. If MO Southern and Washburn take care of business, I think they will join NWMS in the 8 team regional. The NSIC is really difficult to figure out. Other than Northern State, I am not sure who the other 2 or 3 teams will be from the NSIC. It seems there are several teams very close with similar records with similar resumes.

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    Start with the GAC. It typically seems like the easiest piece of the puzzle.

    Southern Nazarene is legit and assuming they don't have a meltdown, they get in. Currently 17-3. Even with 5 losses plus getting upset in the GAC tourney, I think they make it.

    The GAC would get two teams in if someone else wins their tourney, but otherwise I predict the rest of them are losing 6 to 7 games or more and thus barely miss getting a second team in. Southern Arkansas (14-4) has been ranked, but they lost by about 20 to SNU whom they meet again, as well as road games at teams who are 12-6, 11-6, and 11-5.

    Prediction: 1 GAC team (and a 2nd if SNU gets upset in conference tourney)

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    NSIC:

    There's no locks here yet. Certainly Northern State (15-5) is sitting pretty at this point in time. I doubt any of us predict they'll fall apart, but are they without Ian Smith for a while?

    Will this well-balanced league result in a bunch of teams right around the 20-10 mark? It sort of seems that way. If so, two or three teams are staying home that probably feel they have the same resume' as two or three that get in.

    Prediction: 3 NSIC teams get in, but 4 seems like a long shot. You need SNU to win the GAC tourney, and no other surprises in the NSIC and MIAA, and several MIAA teams to be average the rest of the way.

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    MIAA:

    We all know about Northwest.

    The question as always it seems is why the MIAA would get four teams in instead of the NSIC. We can all argue that til the cows come home.

    For now, the MIAA has five teams (besides NWMO) at 13-5 or better. These teams are going to beat each other up with just half of the league season played thus far. Frankly I think we will basically mirror the records of NSIC teams, who are basically two weeks worth of conference games ahead of us. Excluding NW, we will wind up with one or two other teams in that 22-8 sort of range. I'm not sure we'll have another 20 win, single digit losses kind of finish.

    Prediction: besides an autobid, three MIAA teams will make it.

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    So lastly to summarize the above:

    SNU
    3 NSIC teams
    Northwest plus two other MIAA teams
    And the 8th team will be some surprise tourney winner

    (And sadly, sorry but I don't feel like I'm telling you anything you didn't already know)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    That is what I thought at first too, but when I actually looked at it I think it's possible. I think the top 3 MIAA teams are in barring a late season collapse, but I don't think Pitt St, Lincoln, or Fort Hays has any stronger resume than the NSIC teams listed. If the NSIC keeps knocking each other off its possible a fourth MIAA or a second GAC team could make it. I've been saying it all year and I will continue to say it, I think everyone else in the region would be happy is St. Cloud stays home in March. They have not played well most of the season, but I still think their ceiling is among the best in the region.
    I can tell you St. Cloud played very well, in my opinion, on Saturday night against Moorhead. I think moorhead’s Lack of defense was a part of story, but St. Cloud looked very good.

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