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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorilla John 92 View Post
    Have you ever lived in Texas or truly understand the football culture in Texas?

    Locals care about their high school team and the Dallas Cowboys with UT and A&M sharing third place if they even drop that far. Some college alums care about their school (Texas, A&M, Baylor and Tech) while most of the the others care about....their local high school and the Cowboys. You know that I have not mentioned the Houston Texans. There is a reason Bud Admas had the Oilers leave Houston. He could never compete with The Cowboys. Oh, and by the way, high school playoffs are still going on in Texas so that's where people will be on Friday and Saturday. I will even venture that the majority of even the smallest classes of football games will outdraw the DII game.

    Can it become successful in McKinney? Maybe. Are the facilities awesome. Absolutely. Will it be on the radar of The Dallas Morning News or on the local news? Doubt it. If it does, great but don't hold your breath. I base this opinion by living in Texas and enduring the constant coverage of the Cowboys, UT and A&M while generally ignoring the other universities and colleges in the state.
    The culture of high school football in Texas is on another planet. Having read articles about the arms race for stadiums, indoor practice facilities and what Texas taxpayers owe per student is somewhere on the boarder of lunacy.

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    Partly cloudy and 57 for a high on Sat 10/15 in McKinney. Lows in the 30s on 10/14, but will stay over 40 on 10/15.

    Should be good weather for the game. The day before is clear, so the field should be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWFanatic View Post
    We made 9* 28 hr round trips to Florence AL from Maryville MO and 2 4 hr round trips to Kansas City KS in all kinds of weather from torrential rain to ice to snow. We dodged floods and tornadoes etc. Every game win or lose was worth the trip. Any serious FSU or VSU fan should find some way to get there. It’s an amazing experience and there’s no guarantee of another chance in the future.
    *includes 05 semi
    No better logical fallacy than the "No True Scot" logical fallacy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin' Cat View Post
    No better logical fallacy than the "No True Scot" logical fallacy....
    was 21-20 a fallacy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNA_Texan View Post
    Plus you will have Duncanville vs Allen in the state 6A semifinals competing at the AT&T Stadium. Allen holds the top 2 attendance records for a playoff game, at 53K+ and 54K+ both at AT&T Stadium. That and the other state HS semis at AT&T Stadium and NRG in Houston will be the focus of the Texas media. Down here the focus will be on Calallen.
    Don’t sell the D2 crowd short in the Dallas/Ft. Worth. DFW is home to over 3.2 million people. There’s a lot us here who played football at D2 schools and are excited about going to the game no matter who is playing. My team (Harding) got beat by FSU in the first round but I’ll be there along with three of my buddies who played D2. In Texas we just love football. We can watch high school play off games re-plays year round on TV. National championships (FCS and D2) come only once a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldBison View Post
    Don’t sell the D2 crowd short in the Dallas/Ft. Worth. DFW is home to over 3.2 million people. There’s a lot us here who played football at D2 schools and are excited about going to the game no matter who is playing. My team (Harding) got beat by FSU in the first round but I’ll be there along with three of my buddies who played D2. In Texas we just love football. We can watch high school play off games re-plays year round on TV. National championships (FCS and D2) come only once a year.
    I think y'all got the D3 game this year too, at Shenandoah TX??

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWFanatic View Post
    was 21-20 a fallacy?
    This is another logical fallacy argument. By using this, you are admitting that the earlier argument was a fallacy. Understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldBison View Post
    Don’t sell the D2 crowd short in the Dallas/Ft. Worth. DFW is home to over 3.2 million people. There’s a lot us here who played football at D2 schools and are excited about going to the game no matter who is playing. My team (Harding) got beat by FSU in the first round but I’ll be there along with three of my buddies who played D2. In Texas we just love football. We can watch high school play off games re-plays year round on TV. National championships (FCS and D2) come only once a year.
    OldBison, if you are going to make a strong point, hit your facts correctly. The Dallas Fort Worth metro area is more like 7.4 million, than 3.2. While I am sure there are old football players out there, you and your 3 buddies aside; it would have been advantageous to get some from the Allen-McKinney area...Allen is playing in the ATT stadium...and I doubt those parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and alumni are going to choose to be at a D2 game for schools they did not attend. The McKinney ISD stadium is a nice facility, better than most D2 stadia I have visited, but it is over an hour north of Dallas-Ft Worth, much further north than that for much of the DFW metro area. This on a weekend 10 days prior to Christmas. I just don't think a local crowd is going to be significant, unless the team is local.

    I think I am aware of Texas football fans, as well as having attended many D2 games in the state over the years.
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    Beyond the odd coin-flip suggestion, I don't think that an on-campus title game is a bad idea.

    To me, the best "atmosphere" games (in person and on TV for those there and watching at home) the D2 title game has had in the past 30 years have been home games (basically). The three titles in Florence for UNA and the one NWMSU title in KC that wasn't weather hampered. You can also toss in the games in Florence when Jax State only had a couple hours to drive for their two non-weather affected title game appearances (won in '92).

    There's something to be said for one team's fans being able to show up en masse and make the atmosphere electric.

    I understand the in-week goodies like visits to elementary schools and VA hospitals along with pep rallies and police escorts - but those could be kept by a special committee.

    Just a thought.

    On the flip side, VERY happy D2 found McKinney this year on such short notice. I was pulling for an LSC school to be in the mix (Tarleton or Commerce would have given this that atmosphere I described earlier) but certainly happy that a GSC team is there!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_D...l_Championship
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    Some at UNA scoffed at the on-campus title games for the ASUN after being in the GSC with neutral-site conference title games.

    After viewing the atmosphere, there's no question I prefer on-campus conference title games - even when you're the visiting team (which UNA was against Lipscomb this season in soccer).

    I had watched the GSC hoops title game last year and the ASUN title game at the same time. It was like no one was there for the GSC game while the title game at FGCU was packed (and electric) even as the visiting team won.

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    If Ferris wins, they'll be only the second college football team all-time to go 16-0 in one season. Yale in 1894 went 16-0, but half of their games were against "athletic clubs" and not actual schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KleShreen View Post
    If Ferris wins, they'll be only the second college football team all-time to go 16-0 in one season. Yale in 1894 went 16-0, but half of their games were against "athletic clubs" and not actual schools.
    Wow! So, since many feel FSU would have been the top seed in their region otherwise, the penalty by the NCAA might have actually given them a shot at history.

    The Bulldogs have been on the cusp of this game for several seasons now. They deserve to be there and I'm excited for their fanbase!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNALions View Post
    Beyond the odd coin-flip suggestion, I don't think that an on-campus title game is a bad idea.

    To me, the best "atmosphere" games (in person and on TV for those there and watching at home) the D2 title game has had in the past 30 years have been home games (basically). The three titles in Florence for UNA and the one NWMSU title in KC that wasn't weather hampered. You can also toss in the games in Florence when Jax State only had a couple hours to drive for their two non-weather affected title game appearances (won in '92).

    There's something to be said for one team's fans being able to show up en masse and make the atmosphere electric.

    I understand the in-week goodies like visits to elementary schools and VA hospitals along with pep rallies and police escorts - but those could be kept by a special committee.

    Just a thought.

    On the flip side, VERY happy D2 found McKinney this year on such short notice. I was pulling for an LSC school to be in the mix (Tarleton or Commerce would have given this that atmosphere I described earlier) but certainly happy that a GSC team is there!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_D...l_Championship
    No Championship game should be played at either teams venue. Have to make it special, I even think the semi final games should be played at the same venue a couple hours apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony33 View Post
    No Championship game should be played at either teams venue. Have to make it special, I even think the semi final games should be played at the same venue a couple hours apart.
    So, to you, what makes it "special" other than everything I listed in my post?

    The only thing really different for the teams would be travel for the home team. And, when UNA was the title game in Florence, the NCAA made them stay in the team hotels/practice at high schools/etc. as pre-planned before they advanced to those title games.

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    LOL, Yea, looking back, maybe the whole coin toss idea was a major stretch. However I still believe having the top seeded team's town hosting a National Championship game would be not only rewarding but also a huge (season long) incentive for the team. Playing in front of a pretty much guaranteed packed house (in most cases) would be electrifying for both teams and fans. From a former player's point of view, trying your hardest on the field, and looking up at a bunch of empty stands can be somewhat disheartening (no matter where you're playing).

    Now, no doubt about it, traveling for a National Championship game is 'special' for some, here's some numbers to consider if you make the trip (based on a single person):

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    Family members, fans,and student's round trip (1,861 miles) expenses from Valdosta GA (for those unable to book a flight).

    Gas, based on 20 mpg @ $2.30 per gallon = $214.00

    Food, drink, and lodging based on 2 night trip (28 hour round trip drive) = $306.00 (being fairly conservative)

    Ticket price = $25.00

    Total = $545.00
    .................................................. .................................................. ....

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    Family members, fans,and student's round trip (2,196 miles) expenses from Big Rapids MI (for those unable to book a flight).

    Gas, based on 20 mpg @ $2.30 per gallon = $252.00

    Food, drink, and lodging based on 2 night trip (33 hour round trip drive) = $306.00 (being fairly conservative)

    Ticket price = $25.00

    Total = $583.00





    But then again, coming home with the title = Priceless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KleShreen View Post
    If Ferris wins, they'll be only the second college football team all-time to go 16-0 in one season. Yale in 1894 went 16-0, but half of their games were against "athletic clubs" and not actual schools.
    I wonder if the dolphins r rooting against them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle74 View Post
    LOL, Yea, looking back, maybe the whole coin toss idea was a major stretch. However I still believe having the top seeded team's town hosting a National Championship game would be not only rewarding but also a huge (season long) incentive for the team. Playing in front of a pretty much guaranteed packed house (in most cases) would be electrifying for both teams and fans. From a former player's point of view, trying your hardest on the field, and looking up at a bunch of empty stands can be somewhat disheartening (no matter where you're playing).

    Now, no doubt about it, traveling for a National Championship game is 'special' for some, here's some numbers to consider if you make the trip (based on a single person):

    ****
    Family members, fans,and student's round trip (1,861 miles) expenses from Valdosta GA (for those unable to book a flight).

    Gas, based on 20 mpg @ $2.30 per gallon = $214.00

    Food, drink, and lodging based on 2 night trip (28 hour round trip drive) = $306.00 (being fairly conservative)

    Ticket price = $25.00

    Total = $545.00
    .................................................. .................................................. ....

    ****
    Family members, fans,and student's round trip (2,196 miles) expenses from Big Rapids MI (for those unable to book a flight).

    Gas, based on 20 mpg @ $2.30 per gallon = $252.00

    Food, drink, and lodging based on 2 night trip (33 hour round trip drive) = $306.00 (being fairly conservative)

    Ticket price = $25.00

    Total = $583.00





    But then again, coming home with the title = Priceless!
    I can see everyone’s point on the highest seed and home stadium.

    Some of the schools have 1500 seat stadiums. They may have grass surfaces, instead of turf.

    UNALions, you know the hoops Florence had to jump through to keep the NCAA and ESPN happy with lighting, field surface etc.

    How do you guarantee the minimum number of seats to the visitors when the stadium does not hold even4000 seats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNA_Texan View Post
    I can see everyone’s point on the highest seed and home stadium.

    Some of the schools have 1500 seat stadiums. They may have grass surfaces, instead of turf.

    UNALions, you know the hoops Florence had to jump through to keep the NCAA and ESPN happy with lighting, field surface etc.

    How do you guarantee the minimum number of seats to the visitors when the stadium does not hold even4000 seats?

    Of the teams that have made it to the title game in the past, who wouldn't have a stadium up to snuff? While UWF's Community Maritime Park doesn't meet the current specs by the NCAA for the title game (3K on the "visitors" side) those could be tweaked if they policy were to be changed.

    All GSC stadiums are on ESPN each season now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNALions View Post
    Of the teams that have made it to the title game in the past, who wouldn't have a stadium up to snuff? While UWF's Community Maritime Park doesn't meet the current specs by the NCAA for the title game (3K on the "visitors" side) those could be tweaked if they policy were to be changed.

    All GSC stadiums are on ESPN each season now.
    Those aren't actual ESPN broadcasts. They are just the schools using the ESPN platform to broadcast as opposed to Presto, or Sidearm, or YouTube. They pay to put those games on WatchESPN. Most of them are produced by the schools and the feed is just patched through to the link on WatchESPN for people to watch. They aren't subject to the same standards as the actual ESPN crew and truck showing up and setting up shop to produce the game and put it on the actual ESPN TV channels. Any school can broadcast games on WatchESPN if they pay ESPN to house their games, even if they're filmed on cell phones, haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KleShreen View Post
    Those aren't actual ESPN broadcasts. They are just the schools using the ESPN platform to broadcast as opposed to Presto, or Sidearm, or YouTube. They pay to put those games on WatchESPN. Most of them are produced by the schools and the feed is just patched through to the link on WatchESPN for people to watch. They aren't subject to the same standards as the actual ESPN crew and truck showing up and setting up shop to produce the game. Any school can broadcast games on WatchESPN if they pay ESPN to house their games, even if they're filmed on cell phones, haha.
    You're incorrect. The GSC has a Game of the Week with our own set of commentators that travels around to one (sometimes two) games each week with with full production. It's sponsored by the Florida Space Coast tourism group.

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