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    Default SR 4 Championship Game: Tarleton St. vs. Minnesota St.

    Texan fans, what should I know about your team other then that they like to run the ball down the throat.

    Just looking at a eye-test compared to Pueblo... they run the ball like Pueblo but have better athletes. They can throw the pigskin better as well. The defense is solid but maybe slightly worse than the Pueblo defense.

    Someone please fill me in on what are strengths and weaknesses. Should be a great game as both teams are undefeated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twincitiesmav View Post
    Texan fans, what should I know about your team other then that they like to run the ball down the throat.

    Just looking at a eye-test compared to Pueblo... they run the ball like Pueblo but have better athletes. They can throw the pigskin better as well. The defense is solid but maybe slightly worse than the Pueblo defense.

    Someone please fill me in on what are strengths and weaknesses. Should be a great game as both teams are undefeated!
    They did what they wanted vs an experienced national champion commerce defense. They have pretty much done what they wanted all season. Yesterday they did it with a QB that was on one good leg. The only reason Commerce even stayed in the game is the Texans propensity to committ penalties and Commerce has an NFL caliber kicker.

    Their line is huge, they have 4 RBs who would start on any team out there, they force teams to commit to stopping their run and their recievers get 1v1 and are very very fast.

    Their dline is just as dominant. The only times they have been in a close game is because of their own mistakes.

    I expect this to be the best game on next weekend and the winner goes on to play in the natty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twincitiesmav View Post
    Texan fans, what should I know about your team other then that they like to run the ball down the throat.

    Just looking at a eye-test compared to Pueblo... they run the ball like Pueblo but have better athletes. They can throw the pigskin better as well. The defense is solid but maybe slightly worse than the Pueblo defense.

    Someone please fill me in on what are strengths and weaknesses. Should be a great game as both teams are undefeated!
    We have a very efficient QB with some significant size advantages along with speed at wide receiver.

    Also, there is a good chance we will have a size advantage up front on the offensive side of the ball. As we avg 6’3” 303lbs.

    We have two running backs with over a thousand yards with one a Harlon Hill candidate. Not to mention 4 backs all together that can roll.

    DEFENSIVELY

    we have a stout front 7. They get to the QB fast and are great against the run.

    Our weakness defensively is in our secondary but, they play a lot of man and tend to go for the int.

    Our main problem tends to be penalties. If it’s a clean contest it will be a fun game to watch both sides!

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    TSU....I noticed in watching the Texans they had multiple players sharing the same number...like 2 and 4....one of them on offense..one on defense. Uh....why..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Witwicki View Post
    TSU....I noticed in watching the Texans they had multiple players sharing the same number...like 2 and 4....one of them on offense..one on defense. Uh....why..
    Isn’t it pretty common for a lot of FBS teams to have multiple players with the same number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twincitiesmav View Post
    Isn’t it pretty common for a lot of FBS teams to have multiple players with the same number?
    It’s not against the rules to my knowledge as long as they are not on the field at the same time.

    More than likely they were players favorite numbers I suppose.

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    Any reason Tarleton only played 4 road games? Saturday will probably be for sure the coldest game they have played this season, high is currently supposed to be 33 with possible rain/snow mix. The game, as most playoffs games do, will come down to the trenches in my opinion. Mankatos run D is pretty stout, holding Pueblo to less than 100 yards and held the Division 2 leading rusher to his lowest output of the season. Whichever team can win the line play will have a good chance to win. Penalties will also be key, as Tarleton averages about 30 yards more in penalties per game.

    I see Tarletons kicker is 12 for 12 this year but his longest FG is only 36 yards. That could be key as well, as Mankatos kicker, while hasnt had quite as good a year as last year, is a serious weapon and can hit from 55+

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    Quote Originally Posted by msumavfan View Post
    Any reason Tarleton only played 4 road games? Saturday will probably be for sure the coldest game they have played this season, high is currently supposed to be 33 with possible rain/snow mix. The game, as most playoffs games do, will come down to the trenches in my opinion. Mankatos run D is pretty stout, holding Pueblo to less than 100 yards and held the Division 2 leading rusher to his lowest output of the season. Whichever team can win the line play will have a good chance to win. Penalties will also be key, as Tarleton averages about 30 yards more in penalties per game.

    I see Tarletons kicker is 12 for 12 this year but his longest FG is only 36 yards. That could be key as well, as Mankatos kicker, while hasnt had quite as good a year as last year, is a serious weapon and can hit from 55+
    They had a road game against SFA div 1 fcs that got cancelled due to thunderstorms.

    I also wouldn’t compare shutting down CSU’s running game to ours. They are not on our level in rushing offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSUTexan61 View Post
    They had a road game against SFA div 1 fcs that got cancelled due to thunderstorms.

    I also wouldn’t compare shutting down CSU’s running game to ours. They are not on our level in rushing offense.
    Didnt say they were. Just pointing out the strength of the Mankato defense is their run defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twincitiesmav View Post
    Isn’t it pretty common for a lot of FBS teams to have multiple players with the same number?
    I've seen team with guys who share the same # on the roster..but one is a starter and the other is a redshirt or frosh that's not seeing the field. In this case 4 is a star wideout and also a starting LB....2 is the QB, but also a starting DB, etc.

    I just found that odd..and easily avoidable.

    Maybe this happens a lot more with starting players than I realize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Witwicki View Post
    I've seen team with guys who share the same # on the roster..but one is a starter and the other is a redshirt or frosh that's not seeing the field. In this case 4 is a star wideout and also a starting LB....2 is the QB, but also a starting DB, etc.

    I just found that odd..and easily avoidable.

    Maybe this happens a lot more with starting players than I realize.
    A few years ago USF had a kicker and a WR that shared the same number. Can't remember which year. Maybe 2010 or 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msumavfan View Post
    Any reason Tarleton only played 4 road games? Saturday will probably be for sure the coldest game they have played this season, high is currently supposed to be 33 with possible rain/snow mix. The game, as most playoffs games do, will come down to the trenches in my opinion. Mankatos run D is pretty stout, holding Pueblo to less than 100 yards and held the Division 2 leading rusher to his lowest output of the season. Whichever team can win the line play will have a good chance to win. Penalties will also be key, as Tarleton averages about 30 yards more in penalties per game.

    I see Tarletons kicker is 12 for 12 this year but his longest FG is only 36 yards. That could be key as well, as Mankatos kicker, while hasnt had quite as good a year as last year, is a serious weapon and can hit from 55+
    I would be shocked if The Mavericks can hold Tarleton to 100 yards rushing. If so, Mavericks take this game.

    One thing I noticed the Texans like to do on Offense is when too many defenders crowd the box, they have a quick slants that can be fatal. Most of their passes come out quickly not so much pocket passing as is the case with TAMUC.

    Unless there is a lot of 20+ mph wind,I seriously doubt cold weather will be an issue for their style of play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    I would be shocked if The Mavericks can hold Tarleton to 100 yards rushing. If so, Mavericks take this game.

    One thing I noticed the Texans like to do on Offense is when too many defenders crowd the box, they have a quick slants that can be fatal. Most of their passes come out quickly not so much pocket passing as is the case with TAMUC.

    Unless there is a lot of 20+ mph wind,I seriously doubt cold weather will be an issue for their style of play.
    If mankato holds Tarleton to less than 100 yards they will win this handily, but I didnt say that would happen. If they keep them to 170 or so I like their chances. Mavs pass defense has played well second half of the season when they got their stud DT back to rush the passer. Overall I think the teams matchup well.

    20+ mph wind isnt out of the norm in mankato. The way the stadium is situated, there is a reason they call it the wind tunnel. 15 mph hour winds are very common with gusts over 20, that will have an affect on things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twincitiesmav View Post
    Isn’t it pretty common for a lot of FBS teams to have multiple players with the same number?
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Witwicki View Post
    I've seen team with guys who share the same # on the roster..but one is a starter and the other is a redshirt or frosh that's not seeing the field. In this case 4 is a star wideout and also a starting LB....2 is the QB, but also a starting DB, etc.

    I just found that odd..and easily avoidable.

    Maybe this happens a lot more with starting players than I realize.
    Happens A TON in FBS. Even with starters on both side of the ball (CB #1/WR #1, etc) That is typically due to number of players on the roster (85 scholarships + walk-ons, then minus retired jersey numbers) and people wanting certain numbers. I'd assume roster size may be a factor here as well as I've read many times on the LSC forums of 40-50 player recruiting classes. Looking at the TSU roster, it appears that they needed to double up some numbers based on roster size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Mav Man View Post
    Happens A TON in FBS. Even with starters on both side of the ball (CB #1/WR #1, etc) That is typically due to number of players on the roster (85 scholarships + walk-ons, then minus retired jersey numbers) and people wanting certain numbers. I'd assume roster size may be a factor here as well as I've read many times on the LSC forums of 40-50 player recruiting classes. Looking at the TSU roster, it appears that they needed to double up some numbers based on roster size.
    Looks like by a quick count that TSU had about 16 open roster numbers, so FWIW, they didn't need to double up. I asked Tom Frederick, who's called games for USD and then USF for the past 20 years, and he said it's extremely uncommon for him to ever see a number being used for a starter on each side of the ball. (I asked this since the announcers learn the 2-deep and would easily notice the duplication of numbers in the 2 deep) He mentioned that Augie and USF both had a kicker over the years who wore a repeat number, but that's fairly easy to sniff out. He mentioned that they simply cannot be on the field at the same time, a rule apparently (assuming). That was kinda my original intent with the question..special teams..that it could be kinda confusing for statisticians (which he confirmed) and possibly for the opponent.

    Once again...I've seen the duplication of a number plenty..but normally 1 guy doesn't see the field..and never with guys who both start on different sides of the ball.

    That said, I won't forget who those players are numbers are now. HAHA.

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    As for the game....I think this is gonna be a tough one to call.

    Tarleton is more complete than CSUP and will offer some new challenges in the passing game.

    I assume Tarleton has played on grass this year....just asking since I know LSC fans will have a pretty quick answer without me doing the legwork. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Witwicki View Post
    Looks like by a quick count that TSU had about 16 open roster numbers, so FWIW, they didn't need to double up. I asked Tom Frederick, who's called games for USD and then USF for the past 20 years, and he said it's extremely uncommon for him to ever see a number being used for a starter on each side of the ball. (I asked this since the announcers learn the 2-deep and would easily notice the duplication of numbers in the 2 deep) He mentioned that Augie and USF both had a kicker over the years who wore a repeat number, but that's fairly easy to sniff out. He mentioned that they simply cannot be on the field at the same time, a rule apparently (assuming). That was kinda my original intent with the question..special teams..that it could be kinda confusing for statisticians (which he confirmed) and possibly for the opponent.

    Once again...I've seen the duplication of a number plenty..but normally 1 guy doesn't see the field..and never with guys who both start on different sides of the ball.
    This should be its own thread :)
    Was speaking specifically of FBS football. There, it is very common. The Gophers even had a couple duplicates on field/starting. QB/DB (#2) & RB/DB (#4) being a couple quick examples. Anyway, I would image it isn't common at all in D2 or FCS. Nor it is very important to the game, outside of the nightmare for statisticians as you mentioned. Another of the differences between our favorite level of football and FBS.

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    Seems Tarleton is the slight favorite in this game, perhaps a larger favorite if they were playing at home. They looked fast on D in the quarter plus I saw of the game against Commerce. TSU will be able to throw the ball against the Mavs even though that's not their game. They'll get yards on the ground as well. The challenge for the Mavs will be keeping them out of the end zone. Easier said than done. I do think MSU will be able to open holes between the tackles from time to time and it'll be important that Gunn is healthy and takes advantage of those holes when there.l, because it won't be often. QBs for MSU have to get some confidence early and throw better passes than they did against Pueblo. If they play the same way passing-wise, TSU will win by 10+. They are capable of making big plays in the air and will have to do it Saturday.

    Thinking 27-20. Just not 100% sure which team yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Mav Man View Post
    Seems Tarleton is the slight favorite in this game, perhaps a larger favorite if they were playing at home. They looked fast on D in the quarter plus I saw of the game against Commerce. TSU will be able to throw the ball against the Mavs even though that's not their game. They'll get yards on the ground as well. The challenge for the Mavs will be keeping them out of the end zone. Easier said than done. I do think MSU will be able to open holes between the tackles from time to time and it'll be important that Gunn is healthy and takes advantage of those holes when there.l, because it won't be often. QBs for MSU have to get some confidence early and throw better passes than they did against Pueblo. If they play the same way passing-wise, TSU will win by 10+. They are capable of making big plays in the air and will have to do it Saturday.

    Thinking 27-20. Just not 100% sure which team yet...
    We shall see, can they handle the wind tunnel? That remains to be seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Mav Man View Post
    This should be its own thread :)
    Was speaking specifically of FBS football. There, it is very common. The Gophers even had a couple duplicates on field/starting. QB/DB (#2) & RB/DB (#4) being a couple quick examples. Anyway, I would image it isn't common at all in D2 or FCS. Nor it is very important to the game, outside of the nightmare for statisticians as you mentioned. Another of the differences between our favorite level of football and FBS.
    Done!

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