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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    Serious question. Not arguing.

    Aren't most coaching hires failures? What percentage of coaches come in and totally turn around losing programs? We call all name some, but aren't the same programs mostly hiring coaches every four or five years?
    Most coaching hires are failures, because most schools have overly-optimistic expectations.

    Your point is well taken. My point is that D3, D2, FCS, FBS, and even P5, are distinctly different tribes. The common denominator is that regardless of division, you’ve got to have good players to win games. The recipes for getting these players are distinctly different by division.

    As a coach enters the D1 world, the importance of a highly polished national recruiting team, as well as the ability to oversee a multi-million $ enterprise, becomes paramount. These are components that are foreign to coaches in the lower divisions, because they are not a prerequisite for success.

    The successful CEO of your local plumbing co. is likely not equipped to be the CEO of Amazon, although anything is possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herb Street View Post
    Most coaching hires are failures, because most schools have overly-optimistic expectations.

    Your point is well taken. My point is that D3, D2, FCS, FBS, and even P5, are distinctly different tribes. The common denominator is that regardless of division, you’ve got to have good players to win games. The recipes for getting these players are distinctly different by division.
    Gotcha. Understand your opinion much better now and I totally agree. I thought you were talking about knowledge/schemes.

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    Don't forget former Mines HC Bob Stitt, who was a winner at Montana and is just biding his time at Oklahoma State. Unless he gets an OC gig at OSU or some other Power 5, I suspect he will end up at a visible FCS as HC very soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSC Fan View Post
    I agree. The whole athletic dept at Texas State is underachieving considering all the positives the school and community has going for it right now. It appears the AD has a lot of Texas State/SWT supporters ticked off and he might be asked to leave as well. He hired Withers based on a very thin resume of success and nothing good came from it.

    If Colby is looking for an upward move to use as a spring board to the big boy league, SFA would be the perfect fit and they would be stupid not to pursue him. He’ll have easy access to the East Texas and DFW recruiting grounds which he is already familiar with at his current job. Think about this. I bet Patterson is done at TCU sometime in the next five seasons either voluntarily or involuntarily. Colby goes the SFA and turns that program around and boom, he’ll be in the top tier of prospects for that job.
    Speaking of patterson and colby.....

    https://twitter.com/CoachCarthel/sta...075100160?s=19

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    [QUOTE=Herb Street;2319320]+1. And near zero percent chance a D2 coach goes to a FCS head coach gig. Does it happen? Yes, but it's remote. FCS is its own club, as is FBS. Different animals. How much success is Dorrel having at ACU? He won over 90% at the D2 level. He's only won 10 out of 22 at the FCS level, with most of those wins against garbage teams. The Angelo State win was ironically among his best.

    Isn't JMU's coach the ex Lenoir Rhyne coach? What about Bob Nielson at South Dakota? Playoff team last year. SDSU's HC was the coach when they were D-II. How are they doing? Dale Lennon went from UND to SIU, had a winning record. Stitt was already mentioned, he got booted with a winning record at Montana. And bringing up Dorrel is stupid. What the do you think a rebuilding project takes in college? Pueblo's HC would've jumped if it weren't for the domestic violence deal, people still like to forget about that because a guy wins. Again, not a ton of examples, but it took about two minutes to think of a good handful. Herb Street needs to lay off the herb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    Maybe should go there. Supposedly the oldest town in Texas and named after an American Indian. Name rhymes with Sack o Roaches with the g being silent. He had a brother who also has a town named after him in Louisiana called Natchitoches. Pronounced Nack o tish. Northwestern State in the Southland is in Natchitoches. There is your history lesson for the day.
    I have been to Nacogdoches. I was quoting a line from "Big Jake".

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodat View Post
    Don't forget former Mines HC Bob Stitt, who was a winner at Montana and is just biding his time at Oklahoma State. Unless he gets an OC gig at OSU or some other Power 5, I suspect he will end up at a visible FCS as HC very soon.
    Montana was foolish to not give him at least another year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herb Street View Post
    +1. And near zero percent chance a D2 coach goes to a FCS head coach gig. Does it happen? Yes, but it's remote. FCS is its own club, as is FBS. Different animals. How much success is Dorrel having at ACU? He won over 90% at the D2 level. He's only won 10 out of 22 at the FCS level, with most of those wins against garbage teams. The Angelo State win was ironically among his best.

    Isn't JMU's coach the ex Lenoir Rhyne coach? What about Bob Nielson at South Dakota? Playoff team last year. SDSU's HC was the coach when they were D-II. How are they doing? Dale Lennon went from UND to SIU, had a winning record. Stitt was already mentioned, he got booted with a winning record at Montana. And bringing up Dorrel is stupid. What the do you think a rebuilding project takes in college? Pueblo's HC would've jumped if it weren't for the domestic violence deal, people still like to forget about that because a guy wins. Again, not a ton of examples, but it took about two minutes to think of a good handful. Herb Street needs to lay off the herb.
    But that would interfere with his narcissism!!! How in the world would the rest of us ever know anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin' Cat View Post
    I have been to Nacogdoches. I was quoting a line from "Big Jake".
    My bad I’m clueless to who Big Jake is. Not much of a movie goer or sitcom television person. Usually watch documentaries, National Geographic or Historical type programs.

    And, of course Football

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herb Street View Post
    +1. And near zero percent chance a D2 coach goes to a FCS head coach gig. Does it happen? Yes, but it's remote. FCS is its own club, as is FBS. Different animals. How much success is Dorrel having at ACU? He won over 90% at the D2 level. He's only won 10 out of 22 at the FCS level, with most of those wins against garbage teams. The Angelo State win was ironically among his best.

    Isn't JMU's coach the ex Lenoir Rhyne coach? What about Bob Nielson at South Dakota? Playoff team last year. SDSU's HC was the coach when they were D-II. How are they doing? Dale Lennon went from UND to SIU, had a winning record. Stitt was already mentioned, he got booted with a winning record at Montana. And bringing up Dorrel is stupid. What the do you think a rebuilding project takes in college? Pueblo's HC would've jumped if it weren't for the domestic violence deal, people still like to forget about that because a guy wins. Again, not a ton of examples, but it took about two minutes to think of a good handful. Herb Street needs to lay off the herb.
    Curt Cignetti from IUP has taken Elon to the FCS playoffs each of his first two years after stepping up from D2.
    Notre Dame’s Brian Kelly has had a fair amount of succes at the D1 level after leaving GVSU.

    And Dorrel has ACU moving in the right direction. It takes time to implement a new and different offense and to change the culture of a losing program. 6-5 with wins over conference champion Nicholls and traditional FCS powerhouse Sam Houston after back to back 2 win seasons has most of us convinced he’s on the verge of taking us to the next level.

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    I don't believe I claimed that a coach moving up a division never works. It occasionally does. More often, it does not. That is why that, each year when coaching changes are made, few of the coaches replaced are done so by a coach from a different division.

    The same principle applies to the NFL: Few head coaches come from the college ranks. It usually doesn't work out. Does it occasionally? Of course. Pete Carroll and Jimmy Johnson are notables. But the college game is a very different animal than the NFL. The NFL head coaching graveyard is full of Chip Kellys, Nick Sabans, and Lou Hotzs.

    That principle works whether a coach is moving up or down. A good D1 coach might do very poorly in a lower division, because it's a different setup that he may not be equipped for.

    Just because I can cook bacon and eggs doesn't mean I can bake a cake. If I own a breakfast place and need to hire a cook, I'm probably going to hire a guy who can cook bacon and eggs, versus the chef from the local favorite night spot.
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    Looks like the Tech job will be open.

    Baylor made sure of it earlier today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSC Fan View Post
    Looks like the Tech job will be open.

    Baylor made sure of it earlier today.
    Congrats to Matt Ruhle & the old Baylor line! I believe the Bears finished 6-6 and consequently qualified for one of the many mediocre post season Bowl games. Go Bears!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSC Fan View Post
    Looks like the Tech job will be open.

    Baylor made sure of it earlier today.
    That's what KENS 5 is reporting, although Don Williams of the Lubbock Avalanche Journal says that although he does not doubt this will be the outcome, his sources are saying it is premature at this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texcap View Post
    That's what KENS 5 is reporting, although Don Williams of the Lubbock Avalanche Journal says that although he does not doubt this will be the outcome, his sources are saying it is premature at this time.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...asons.amp.html
    Already seeing reports that he's out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    My bad I’m clueless to who Big Jake is. Not much of a movie goer or sitcom television person. Usually watch documentaries, National Geographic or Historical type programs.

    And, of course Football
    Yeah, John Wayne isnt a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSC Fan View Post
    Looks like the Tech job will be open.

    Baylor made sure of it earlier today.
    Thank God

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gridiron Bobby View Post

    Curt Cignetti from IUP has taken Elon to the FCS playoffs each of his first two years after stepping up from D2.
    Notre Dame’s Brian Kelly has had a fair amount of succes at the D1 level after leaving GVSU.

    And Dorrel has ACU moving in the right direction. It takes time to implement a new and different offense and to change the culture of a losing program. 6-5 with wins over conference champion Nicholls and traditional FCS powerhouse Sam Houston after back to back 2 win seasons has most of us convinced he’s on the verge of taking us to the next level.
    Mike Bellotti did a pretty good job at Chico State before turning Oregon around. Beau Baldein had nice squads at CWU before winning an NC at EWU. Don James was at Ent State when they were in the "small school" classification before taking over at UW.

    Sure there are successes and failures, kind of like real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin' Cat View Post
    Yeah, John Wayne isnt a big deal.
    Sorry, not a big John Wayne fan and live in Texas probably will be beaten and shot for admitting that.

    I have watched several Spaghetti westerns of Eastwood multiple times. Outlaw Josie Wales is my all time western favorite.

    Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining. That was a classic statement

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSC Fan View Post
    Looks like the Tech job will be open.

    Baylor made sure of it earlier today.
    That game today got so bad in the second half I just turned it off. I didn’t need the aggravation

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