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    Quote Originally Posted by Clean Liver View Post
    I retired to StG a couple years ago but haven't attended any games. I keep up with the team either on the 'net or in the local newspaper. Facilities have been upgraded, new building started on campus - a beautiful place, btw - and the town and whole area is nice. Lacks a few amenities but pretty certain those will be addressed as the area grows - and it's growin' like crazy!

    Secondly, it seems to me the firings were premeditated. The AD must have someone already in mind and ready to take over. If not, how the h*** are they supposed to recruit? There's a former BIG name coach who lives here now and I wonder if he may be the guy. HS ball is very good and one is headed to the finals this weekend...again. Maybe their coach is the guy.

    Just throwin' out some thoughts.
    I have heard similar things regarding the coach search.... the team is going to have around 30 transfers from what I have heard. Most of the freshman are going to leave and a lot of their big name returners are looking for new spots, evident by them following multiple new programs on Twitter. I fear this decision might set this program back 3-4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clean Liver View Post
    I retired to StG a couple years ago but haven't attended any games. I keep up with the team either on the 'net or in the local newspaper. Facilities have been upgraded, new building started on campus - a beautiful place, btw - and the town and whole area is nice. Lacks a few amenities but pretty certain those will be addressed as the area grows - and it's growin' like crazy!

    Secondly, it seems to me the firings were premeditated. The AD must have someone already in mind and ready to take over. If not, how the h*** are they supposed to recruit? There's a former BIG name coach who lives here now and I wonder if he may be the guy. HS ball is very good and one is headed to the finals this weekend...again. Maybe their coach is the guy.

    Just throwin' out some thoughts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blazerfan1026 View Post
    I have heard similar things regarding the coach search.... the team is going to have around 30 transfers from what I have heard. Most of the freshman are going to leave and a lot of their big name returners are looking for new spots, evident by them following multiple new programs on Twitter. I fear this decision might set this program back 3-4 years.
    Who is this big name coach? Is it such a big name that the kids would want to stay and play for him? Do they know who it is and don't care and want out anyway? Is it a big name that they feel is the person to take them to FCS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnequaFats View Post
    Who is this big name coach? Is it such a big name that the kids would want to stay and play for him? Do they know who it is and don't care and want out anyway? Is it a big name that they feel is the person to take them to FCS?
    No name but has been in the news this season and coachin', P/T I believe, at a local HS. I don't want to start any rumors, but he might be a guy who could make a lot of kids stay. I just don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clean Liver View Post
    No name but has been in the news this season and coachin', P/T I believe, at a local HS. I don't want to start any rumors, but he might be a guy who could make a lot of kids stay. I just don't know.
    sounds like Gary Crowton

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    Beyond recruiting I don't understand what incentives a school like Black Hills or Western would really have to fire their coaches. They'd still be paying them until the end of the year most likely and it's not as if they have winter practices. I could be wrong, but I would guess around Christmas time things being more active.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGV Pony View Post
    sounds like Gary Crowton
    That is what I have heard as well. Looking at his track record it alarms me just a bit. Yeah he has experience at major programs and professional experience as well, but he does not stay in one place very long. I could see this coach coming in having a few bad years and getting out like it seems he has done everywhere he has been. I hope the athletic department has a good plan because if they do go D1 you would want your football program winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazerfan1026 View Post
    ...because if they do go D1 you would want your football program winning.
    Then they shoulda kept McClure. He was on the right track. Continuity is important to players, fans and supporters. I would think it's tough findin' a quality D-II HC who's comfortable at that level and wants to stay the course. jmo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnequaFats View Post
    Who is this big name coach? Is it such a big name that the kids would want to stay and play for him? Do they know who it is and don't care and want out anyway? Is it a big name that they feel is the person to take them to FCS?
    Pitino needs a job. Maybe if they offer him a motorcycle........

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    Quote Originally Posted by laker View Post
    Pitino needs a job. Maybe if they offer him a motorcycle........
    But how do the former volleyball players stack up in Dixie? Petrino is gonna want the full package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnequaFats View Post
    But how do the former volleyball players stack up in Dixie? Petrino is gonna want the full package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaineermagic View Post
    Beyond recruiting I don't understand what incentives a school like Black Hills or Western would really have to fire their coaches. They'd still be paying them until the end of the year most likely and it's not as if they have winter practices. I could be wrong, but I would guess around Christmas time things being more active.
    I've always thought it was mutually beneficial, if you're gonna make a change, no matter the sport, you do it ASAP after the season. Gives you the best shot at landing the guy you want. Puts you at the top of the queue for up and comers looking for their break, and gives you more time to make an informed decision. Also, as a professional courtesy, it gives the guy who got canned a better opportunity to land on his feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazerfan1026 View Post
    Inside info from Dixie.... players are extremely upset with this. They loved the coaching staff and are as shocked as everyone. I would expect a lot of these players to transfer. Complete blindside is what I’ve heard. Believe that the player welfare is a cover up for the department not seeing eye to eye with the coaches. Very disappointing news, huge setback for this team after making big strides.
    Thanks for the tip. No inside info, but just from the outside looking in, he seemed like a real players' coach. Like a fierce type of guy who would go to war with anyone for his guys that he brought in.

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    I am convinced that Dixie is out the door and off to the WAC in 2020. Which kinda sucks, because St George is nice and it was a biennial excuse to go to Las Vegas (the good one, not the one we will still have in the RMAC). So does Mesa go with them? (And Metro too maybe, but I don't really care about the non football schools near as much.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnequaFats View Post
    I am convinced that Dixie is out the door and off to the WAC in 2020. Which kinda sucks, because St George is nice and it was a biennial excuse to go to Las Vegas (the good one, not the one we will still have in the RMAC). So does Mesa go with them? (And Metro too maybe, but I don't really care about the non football schools near as much.)

    Losing one or two RMAC football programs would not be a bad thing. Thin the herd. By doing so, RMAC schools can go back to playing a couple out of conference opponents instead of being locking into an RMAC schedule only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    Losing one or two RMAC football programs would not be a bad thing. Thin the herd. By doing so, RMAC schools can go back to playing a couple out of conference opponents instead of being locking into an RMAC schedule only.
    Losing 1 would be terrific. Even losing 3 football teams would be fine with me. More in region OOC games would be a huge help. But I think an even number of teams in the conference is ideal. Having a team without a conference opponent every week of conference play is a pain. Not so much if your conference bye week is early, but how in the hell are you supposed to find a OOC game in Week 11? Look at Black Hills this year. They had to go all the way to Illinois and play an NAIA team. So Mesa, if you go with Dixie, talk someone else into it also. Or talk UCCS into adding football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccmoney8 View Post
    I've always thought it was mutually beneficial, if you're gonna make a change, no matter the sport, you do it ASAP after the season. Gives you the best shot at landing the guy you want. Puts you at the top of the queue for up and comers looking for their break, and gives you more time to make an informed decision. Also, as a professional courtesy, it gives the guy who got canned a better opportunity to land on his feet.
    Two years ago an NSIC HC quit 3 days before Christmas. Poultry waste! Thankfully the assistants were a good group and made the best of recruitin'. A new HC, and a GREAT choice, btw, was in place by March. Still tough to rebound but they're on the right track. All the ex-HC's recruits either quit or graduated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnequaFats View Post
    WOW! The only way this makes any sense is they really are planning on bolting to FCS and Dixie doesn't feel as if this staff is adequate for that level. If I am Black Hills I clean house and hire every single one of these guys.
    I am almost certain that BHSU would not do this. I agree though I feel Dixie has improved each year. Solid run game and play good defense. BHSU's AD is a long time Spearfish resident and a good guy. Not one that would run guys off very quickly. I expect a few more years of 3-8 with blowout losses to SD Mines would maybe do it. Not yet though. As far as Dixie coaches somebody will get themselves a good coach looks like to me!

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    First transfer victim for dixie... top corner and a center point on defense jaylen Moore #21 announced on Twitter he is opening up his recruitment to transfer for his senior season. Huge loss for dixie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazerfan1026 View Post
    First transfer victim for dixie... top corner and a center point on defense jaylen Moore #21 announced on Twitter he is opening up his recruitment to transfer for his senior season. Huge loss for dixie.
    As a senior can he go anywhere and play?

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    https://www.hudl.com/video/3/4457557...b23a0b008edd07 looks like a solid corner, physical for sure. Interested to see where he ends up and who else follows.

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