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    Tortarella won the region last year with a team that was for the most part, a product of the mastermind, Curt Cignetti.

    You could say Curt was responsible for a D2 and D1aa power last year. It’s only a matter of time before Cignetti shows up at a power 5 school.

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    Possible but probably doubtful. I briefly felt the same after he beat James Madison. He's not a spring chicken and P5 want name commodities.

    Fresno State type ... no doubt.

    That said ... to take a bottom feeder and a year later beat James Madison .... that's no joke.

    Who knows. Florida State will be open soon. Miami may be, too. Taggart and Richt are jumping out of a plane with no parachute.

    Not that he'd get either of those but it creates a snowball.

    Pure jackasses like Fraud Graham have got big jobs. Curt is deserving. At that level his people skills and a$s kissing skills would need major improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Boucher View Post
    Tortarella won the region last year with a team that was for the most part, a product of the mastermind, Curt Cignetti.

    You could say Curt was responsible for a D2 and D1aa power last year. It’s only a matter of time before Cignetti shows up at a power 5 school.
    Power 5? Stop the madness MAC maybe dude isn’t Brian Kelly

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostOfHomer01 View Post
    Power 5? Stop the madness MAC maybe dude isn’t Brian Kelly
    Well, Brian Kelly did make the jump from D2 to FBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Boucher View Post
    Tortarella won the region last year with a team that was for the most part, a product of the mastermind, Curt Cignetti.

    You could say Curt was responsible for a D2 and D1aa power last year. It’s only a matter of time before Cignetti shows up at a power 5 school.
    Agree that Curt is a terrific football coach. But regarding the 2017 IUP team. Curt had nothing to do with landing a generational talent like Max Redfield who transformed the defensive side of the ball. There also has to be doubts if a Curt led team would have been able to mount comebacks against Ashland (IUP down 16-3) and at the Rock (down 10-0 IIRC). I don't remember too many Curt coached teams making comebacks from a double-digit deficit.

    The 2017 IUP team (both players and coaches) seemed to relish their freedom and autonomy from the Curt regime and they made the absolute most of it. But it is true that the vast majority of the players were from the Curt years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostOfHomer01 View Post
    Power 5? Stop the madness MAC maybe dude isn’t Brian Kelly
    But the truth is had he been coaching at Cal then he would be a combination of Knute Rockne and Vince Lombardi to you and you would be perched high upon your soapbox shouting for all to hear that he ought to be coaching Alabama or Clemson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Boucher View Post
    Tortarella won the region last year with a team that was for the most part, a product of the mastermind, Curt Cignetti.

    You could say Curt was responsible for a D2 and D1aa power last year. It’s only a matter of time before Cignetti shows up at a power 5 school.
    Next step for Cignetti would be MAC or Sun Belt if he's lucky. He was OK at IUP, very average against the good teams.....I will take Tort over Cignetti for sure, program has the community and student support both were not fans of CG......just sayin

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostOfHomer01 View Post
    Power 5? Stop the madness MAC maybe dude isn’t Brian Kelly
    Even Kelly was a slow move with way more success then Curt, GV, MAC, Cincy , ND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUP CRIMSON HAWKS View Post
    Agree that Curt is a terrific football coach. But regarding the 2017 IUP team. Curt had nothing to do with landing a generational talent like Max Redfield who transformed the defensive side of the ball. There also has to be doubts if a Curt led team would have been able to mount comebacks against Ashland (IUP down 16-3) and at the Rock (down 10-0 IIRC). I don't remember too many Curt coached teams making comebacks from a double-digit deficit.

    The 2017 IUP team (both players and coaches) seemed to relish their freedom and autonomy from the Curt regime and they made the absolute most of it. But it is true that the vast majority of the players were from the Curt years.


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    OF course they were from the Curt years, stupid comment, what is a new HC going to do start 22 freshman, be smart before u type....just sayin

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUP412 View Post
    Next step for Cignetti would be MAC or Sun Belt if he's lucky. He was OK at IUP, very average against the good teams.....I will take Tort over Cignetti for sure, program has the community and student support both were not fans of CG......just sayin
    Attendance hasn't really moved under Torterella so that added community and student support must be moral support. Attendance actually went down last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    Attendance hasn't really moved under Torterella so that added community and student support must be moral support. Attendance actually went down last year.
    In the box score, yes.

    In reality, it went up a lot. Far different.

    They either fudged numbers under Curt or don't know how to count. Remember about 25% don't even pay for tickets. They just waltz in through one of the 9 gates or openings in the prison fence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUP412 View Post
    OF course they were from the Curt years, stupid comment, what is a new HC going to do start 22 freshman, be smart before u type....just sayin
    I was merely stating the obvious that, yes, the majority of the players were recruited under the previous coach. Pretty basic in most cases I suppose.

    We will have to wait several years to see if Tort's recruits are as good or worse than what his predecessor's were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUP CRIMSON HAWKS View Post
    I was merely stating the obvious that, yes, the majority of the players were recruited under the previous coach. Pretty basic in most cases I suppose.

    We will have to wait several years to see if Tort's recruits are as good or worse than what his predecessor's were.

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    They best be having study halls all off-season. No more of this academic crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUP412 View Post
    Even Kelly was a slow move with way more success then Curt, GV, MAC, Cincy , ND.
    He actually coached Central Michigan, not the MAC. Just sayin'

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    I doubt you’ll ever see Cignetti at a Power 5 program. Schools at that level, even the average ones, want one of two things: A young up and comer or an established coach at that level. Cignetti is neither.

    I’ll agree with the comment that he was okay at IUP, but not out of this world good. There were rumors of him being the lead candidate for the Southern Miss job after that 2012 season. But there was never any talk of him moving again until he took the Elon gig. He beat the the teams he was supposed to beat while at IUP. Struggled against the better programs.

    BigIndians is right about the snowball effect though. It’s inevitable every offseason something big opens. That creates a domino reaction where many other jobs open. He’ll likely get an FBS look, but I’m not sure how big of a program it will be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IUP CRIMSON HAWKS View Post
    But the truth is had he been coaching at Cal then he would be a combination of Knute Rockne and Vince Lombardi to you and you would be perched high upon your soapbox shouting for all to hear that he ought to be coaching Alabama or Clemson.

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    No he wouldn’t have been. Cal was better off without him. Like I said one fight on 3rd street gave life and resurgence to IUP it’s loke when USC went on sanctions Oregon came to life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Boucher View Post
    Tortarella won the region last year with a team that was for the most part, a product of the mastermind, Curt Cignetti.

    You could say Curt was responsible for a D2 and D1aa power last year. It’s only a matter of time before Cignetti shows up at a power 5 school.
    It sounds the same idiotic argument (emphasis on the word 'idiotic') a faction of Steelers fans use against Mike Tomlin, who coached the Steelers to a win in Super Bowl 43 with a significant number of players from Bill Cowher's Super Bowl 40 winning team three years earlier.

    For that matter, you might as well take it a step further and say that Frank Cignetti won the 1986 State Game (IUP's first PSAC title won on the field and first league title since 1940, for what that's worth) with a team that, was for the most part, a product of George Chaump.
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    Not much of a hot take when this very topic already had its own thread earlier in the season...jus sayin

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    They best be having study halls all off-season. No more of this academic crap.
    The biggest problem for those geniuses isn't that they don't study, it's that they don't go to class. At least one failed to show up for his finals. The obvious answer is to recruit better students and if you are going to take a chance on a marginal guy, don't put any faith in him to be there in a year or two. ..... jus sayin

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    Joe Morehead did similar things at Fordham as Curt has done at Elon. Probably better going winless to undefeated or something like that. Morehead needed a highly succcessful P5 coordinator pitstop before landing a P5 HC job.

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