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    Quote Originally Posted by whodat View Post
    I wonder if the WAC's "feasibility study" to begin FCS football was done by the same people who did the Dixie study?

    I read somewhere (which I can longer find) a person say that this is more about realigning the Southland, Big Sky, and one other I can't remember, and that the WAC is actually being used as a false front for those 3 conferences. The theory being that there are schools that want to jump to FBS inside of these conferences, along with some desired geographical consolidation, so they are looking for options to backfill members. Tarleton is another school looking to move, but desires to be in the Southland.

    So, perhaps this is all a mirage to smoke out other D2 schools who want to move up, or WAC schools thinking about adding football. Maybe the WAC wants to just focus primarily on B-ball (thus, the reason Metro State is talking to them), and this is all a multi-conference coordinated effort looking to the future?

    Interesting....some rumors from Texas....

    From the SLC, Lamar has openly stated a desire to move to FBS. Some of the fans from Sam Houston and SF Austin have been unhappy with adding new schools that have in their opinion diluted the brand and have been clamoring for their schools to move up as well. Prairie View has been rumored to be open to moving from the SWAC to the Southland.

    In addition to UTRGV, UTArlington has talked about adding football and a couple of schools other than Tarleton have discussed moving up as an option. TAMU Commerce and Angelo State are two that come to mind.

    Schools like Texas State, UTEP and maybe UTSA should talk about moving down to FCS but I don’t know if they will.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Boys View Post
    What is the dollar amount on those broadcast and promotional rights? It can't be all that much. The only TV ads I have seen for the WAC was when I was watching New Mexico State football games from the time they were a Sun Belt affiliate. I live 40 miles from the WAC office (39 of those miles are on I25) and have driven by the office so many times I'm not going to bother to count and yet I still have to look up the WAC members. It has been nearly 20 years since anyone, outside of the WAC office, here in Colorado has given the WAC much more than a casual glance.

    Dixie State is going to have to at least double their budget and raise funds for the reclassifying process. Where is that money going to come from cause I'm pretty sure they will have to have the money first. It's also a huge gamble on a ship-load of "IFs" when it comes to the WAC getting enough schools to join for football. The feasibility study might say DSU can go D1 but can that study guarantee the money will be raised or 5 other football teams will join the WAC?

    If Dixie State or any other school goes D1 then good for them. I just don't see the charm in taking on all the added expenses to be just as much a nobody in D1 as we are now in D2 along with no chance ever to win a national title.
    Not sure what the dollar amounts are, but you're right - no low-major conference is raking in dough for its members. I was thinking more from the conference-wide perspective. Strategically I just think the model the WAC wants to follow is similar to the MVC. If they want to A) continue to exist and B) return from low-major back to mid-major status, then they should centralize for stability, and they should target potential basketball growth. Also think Dixie and MSU Denver meet both of those objectives for a long-term strategy.

    I don't pretend to know Dixie's specific situation, but the big money for those athletic programs moving up usually comes from the administrative side - tuition, fees, endowments, public funds, etc. Each situation is different... public vs private, high enrollment vs low, heavy-hitting alumni base vs lightweight, political climates, blah-blah-blah.

    We laugh at UNC for its football, but they were a three-pointer away from the big dance last year and that's a large part of the attraction of D1 for the higher-ups in athletics and the alumni. Millions of people with eyeballs on your brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catatonic View Post
    Interesting....some rumors from Texas....

    From the SLC, Lamar has openly stated a desire to move to FBS. Some of the fans from Sam Houston and SF Austin have been unhappy with adding new schools that have in their opinion diluted the brand and have been clamoring for their schools to move up as well. Prairie View has been rumored to be open to moving from the SWAC to the Southland.

    In addition to UTRGV, UTArlington has talked about adding football and a couple of schools other than Tarleton have discussed moving up as an option. TAMU Commerce and Angelo State are two that come to mind.

    Schools like Texas State, UTEP and maybe UTSA should talk about moving down to FCS but I don’t know if they will.....

    It's understandable as to why Sam Houston and SF Austin fans are unhappy about some of the SLC's recent additions. Houston Baptist and Incarnate Word, among others, have helped render the SLC a mediocre conference overall. As for Lamar moving to the FBS level, that's puzzling. The Cardinals haven't come close to winning a LSC championship; although they beat Sam Houston earlier this year. I don't think Prairie View would make the SLC stronger, but it probably wouldn't make it weaker either. At least Prairie View has a nice big new stadium. The SLC ain't the powerhouse conference it once was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    Don't see why S. Utah and UNC would leave the Big Sky Conference, a well established conference, to join an obvious goat rope. The WAC needs more than rebranding. It needs to stop pretending it's a real DI conference.
    I don't know that either would. At least not initially. Travel would be a factor though.

    To me, the fact the WAC is talking publicly about FCS means they've felt out some Big Sky members on moving. They either have to get a bunch of RMAC/LSC schools to jump at once, or raid the BSC in order to play football. Don't think they're discussing it in public at this point if it's just Dixie and 2-3 from the Lone Star on board.

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    I don't know that either would. At least not initially. Travel would be a factor though.

    To me, the fact the WAC is talking publicly about FCS means they've felt out some Big Sky members on moving. They either have to get a bunch of RMAC/LSC schools to jump at once, or raid the BSC in order to play football. Don't think they're discussing it in public at this point if it's just Dixie and 2-3 from the Lone Star on board.
    Did Colorado Mines suffer a devastating upset? Omg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunk in la junta View Post
    Did Colorado Mines suffer a devastating upset? Omg
    38-38 right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbonium View Post
    38-38 right now.
    Dixie drives 99 YARDS WITH LESS THEN A MINUTE IN THE 4th

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbonium View Post
    38-38 right now.
    and miss a field goal from uno

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    Mines was upset here in St George today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunk in la junta View Post
    Mines was upset here in St George today.
    This thread escalated quickly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    It's understandable as to why Sam Houston and SF Austin fans are unhappy about some of the SLC's recent additions. Houston Baptist and Incarnate Word, among others, have helped render the SLC a mediocre conference overall. As for Lamar moving to the FBS level, that's puzzling. The Cardinals haven't come close to winning a LSC championship; although they beat Sam Houston earlier this year. I don't think Prairie View would make the SLC stronger, but it probably wouldn't make it weaker either. At least Prairie View has a nice big new stadium. The SLC ain't the powerhouse conference it once was.
    I was on the WAC board in 2012 when the league started to fall apart. It was suggested that the WAC was the last league to offer homes for FBS move ups. They were encouraging anyone from the Big Sky and Southland with FBS aspirations to make the move. The hope was that Montana, North Dakota State, and some others would take the chance, but they didn't. According to the board, Lamar expressed an interest in moving up, but they were the only one.

    I think they see it the same way that others do. There is more statewide press for FBS teams (even bad ones like Texas State) than there is for their current lot in the Southland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catatonic View Post
    Interesting....some rumors from Texas....

    From the SLC, Lamar has openly stated a desire to move to FBS. Some of the fans from Sam Houston and SF Austin have been unhappy with adding new schools that have in their opinion diluted the brand and have been clamoring for their schools to move up as well. Prairie View has been rumored to be open to moving from the SWAC to the Southland.

    In addition to UTRGV, UTArlington has talked about adding football and a couple of schools other than Tarleton have discussed moving up as an option. TAMU Commerce and Angelo State are two that come to mind.

    Schools like Texas State, UTEP and maybe UTSA should talk about moving down to FCS but I don’t know if they will.....
    They won't. Texas State and UTSA just moved up 6 years ago. Texas State has invested tons of money into making FBS facilities. Texas State was bowl eligible two years in a row after moving up and then made a coaching change which put the program in the dumpster. UTSA sees themselves as another UCF/USF in the making. They made it to a bowl game and played host to numerous PAC12 and BIGXII teams. UTEP has a history in FBS. They have rivalries with nearby UNM and NMST. All of those teams suck in football, but they won't move down because they don't want to be seen as inferior to one another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laker View Post
    This was an interesting linked article from the one laker posted about:

    http://dixiesunnews.com/news/article...out-rmac-move/

    (AD)Boothe said DSU would be one of 13 public schools in the RMAC, making the conference a better long-term fit for DSU.

    “[DSU’s] athletic budgets would be a lot more similar to [RMAC teams’] athletic budgets,” Boothe said. “In the PacWest, there are some schools, namely private schools, that not only have a higher athletic budget than us, but they’re are a lot higher.”


    I guess the RMAC really isn't a better long term fit....

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    Quote Originally Posted by laker View Post
    Seems to me if the football team is gonna be Independent, and finances are a LARGE part of the decision, DSU's gonna have to find some BIG pocketbooks to send the football team all over the place 5 or 6 times a season. Busin' back 'n forth through the RMAC, I'd assume, takes a hefty chunk of $$ as it is.

    I wonder, too, if the BIG guys think D-I would attract more local fans?

    Lots to consider in the jump, and not all jumps are uphill.

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    For what it's worth.

    Dixie State (D-II – UT): New head coach Paul Peterson has hired the following assistants per sources: Tyler Almond (defensive coordinator / safeties), Loni Fangupo (defensive line), Misi Tupe (linebackers), Mike Fassel (special teams / operations) and John Hughes (offensive line).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clean Liver View Post
    Seems to me if the football team is gonna be Independent, and finances are a LARGE part of the decision, DSU's gonna have to find some BIG pocketbooks to send the football team all over the place 5 or 6 times a season. Busin' back 'n forth through the RMAC, I'd assume, takes a hefty chunk of $$ as it is.

    I wonder, too, if the BIG guys think D-I would attract more local fans?

    Lots to consider in the jump, and not all jumps are uphill.
    Being an independent is a pretty tough row to hoe. No conference title to fight for, no real consistent rivals.

    I think some of these jumps are off of a cliff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by laker View Post
    Being an independent is a pretty tough row to hoe. No conference title to fight for, no real consistent rivals.

    I think some of these jumps are off of a cliff!
    Army. BYU. Liberty. NM State, UMass & ND are the only FBS indies. FCS? Hampton. N. Alabama. N. Dakota. But they're all joini' conferences next season. Can't imagine many would clamor for tickets at DSU except for the "Y" game. Would the others really want a to trip here? Not much of a pool from which to choose.

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    The Dixie State facebook page is announcing an event Friday afternoon and the WAC digital network has scheduled a press conference for the same time.

    https://www.facebook.com/DixieStateA...type=3&theater

    https://www.wacdigitalnetwork.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Boys View Post
    The Dixie State facebook page is announcing an event Friday afternoon and the WAC digital network has scheduled a press conference for the same time.

    https://www.facebook.com/DixieStateA...type=3&theater

    https://www.wacdigitalnetwork.com/

    Yep. Dixie State to move up as FCS Indy.

    https://www.ksl.com/article/46464699...tic-conference

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