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    Default AFCA Division II Top 25 (10/22)

    Link: https://www.afca.com/d2-poll-west-ge...stays-at-no-3/

    West Georgia Moves to 8-0 and Stays at No. 3
    After a touchdown by West Alabama with 1:58 left in the game brought the score to 27-25, West Georgia stopped the Tigers’ two-point conversion attempt and held on for a close homecoming victory to move their record to 8-0. The Wolves still sit No. 3 in this week’s AFCA Division II Coaches’ Top 25 Poll as they travel to Mississippi College next weekend.

    There was not much movement in the Top 25 this week, with the only change in the Top 18 teams being Tarleton State (Texas) and Grand Valley State (Mich.) flip-flopping positions. Minnesota State still sits at No. 1, but gained two more first-place votes this week to come in with 30. Ferris State (Mich.) is No. 2 with three first-place votes. Ouachita Baptist (Ark.) and Minnesota-Duluth round out the Top 5.

    There are two Top 25 matchups this coming week, and the first is a Top 10 battle as No. 8 Tarleton State travels to No. 10 Midwestern State (Texas) with first place on the line in the Lone Star Conference. The second game is another key conference matchup as No. 15 Kutztown (Pa.) plays host to No. 12 West Chester (Pa.). The winner will have sole possession of first place in the Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference East Division.

    AFCA Division II Top 25 (10/22)
    1. Minnesota State-Mankato (30) (8-0)
    2. Ferris State (3) (8-0)
    3. West Georgia (8-0)
    4. Ouachita Baptist (8-0)
    5. Minnesota-Duluth (8-0)
    6. Colorado School of Mines (8-0)
    7. Valdosta State (8-0)
    8. Tarleton State (7-0)
    9. Grand Valley State (7-1)
    10. Midwestern State (6-1)
    11. Northwest Missouri State (7-1)
    12. West Chester (7-0)
    13. Colorado State-Pueblo (7-1)
    14. Notre Dame (8-0)
    15. Kutztown (7-0)
    16. Indianapolis (6-1)
    17. Tiffin (8-0)
    18. Texas A&M-Commerce (6-2)
    19. LIU-Post (7-0)
    20. Central Washington (6-2)
    21. Southern Arkansas (7-1)
    22. Indiana (PA) (6-2)
    23. Harding (6-2)
    24. Lenoir-Rhyne (7-1)
    25. Hillsdale (7-1)

    Dropped Out
    West Florida (#19), Ohio Dominican (#25)

    Others Receiving Votes
    Slippery Rock, Pittsburg State, Fort Hays State, West Texas A&M, Morehouse, Florida Tech, New Haven, Azusa Pacific, Ohio Dominican, West Florida, Fairmont State, Missouri S&T, Bowie State, Davenport, Virginia Union

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    Default Re: AFCA Division II Top 25 (10/22)

    In what world is WT a top 30 team? What makes CWU a top 25 team when they lost to same WT squad at home badly. Only winning team the beat is AZUSA. AFCA is name recognition list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boohaha View Post
    In what world is WT a top 30 team? What makes CWU a top 25 team when they lost to same WT squad at home badly. Only winning team the beat is AZUSA. AFCA is name recognition list.
    Same goes for Tiffin, They have beaten Nobody.....Just sayin

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    Default Re: AFCA Division II Top 25 (10/22)

    Quote Originally Posted by IUP412 View Post
    Same goes for Tiffin, They have beaten Nobody.....Just sayin
    Tiffin beat Ohio Dominican which beat California which beat IUP....Just sayin

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    Default Re: AFCA Division II Top 25 (10/22)

    As has been discussed ad naseum, this poll is voted on by the coaches. It is meaningless, and perhaps has the only real purpose of garnering myopic and biased discussion from fans of team that feel slighted.

    And as has been pointed out before, the proof of the transitive property within the college football world has not been established

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    Default Re: AFCA Division II Top 25 (10/22)

    The purpose is getting a few extra stories in regional news media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin' Cat View Post
    As has been discussed ad naseum, this poll is voted on by the coaches. It is meaningless, and perhaps has the only real purpose of garnering myopic and biased discussion from fans of team that feel slighted.

    And as has been pointed out before, the proof of the transitive property within the college football world has not been established
    Transitive property has nothing to do with my observations, WT is not a good football team, they will likely finish 5-6, likewise CWU is not a good team this year, their wins aside from AZUSA are over teams that have 0, 1, or 2 wins in D2 and most of those wins are over each other. When the season ends CWU is very likely to have a 9-1 d2 record and when you add the their opponents wins up of the teams they beat it might not add up to 15! If you include WT thats 19 wins for your opponents on your schedule.
    And of those wins of your opponents only 1 will be vs a team with a winning record, WT over CWU.

    There is alot of bad football in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boohaha View Post
    Transitive property has nothing to do with my observations, WT is not a good football team, they will likely finish 5-6, likewise CWU is not a good team this year, their wins aside from AZUSA are over teams that have 0, 1, or 2 wins in D2 and most of those wins are over each other. When the season ends CWU is very likely to have a 9-1 d2 record and when you add the their opponents wins up of the teams they beat it might not add up to 15! If you include WT thats 19 wins for your opponents on your schedule.
    And of those wins of your opponents only 1 will be vs a team with a winning record, WT over CWU.

    There is alot of bad football in there.
    So a team should be punished for winning games? You can only play the teams on your schedule.

    Have you seen a CWU game? Aside from WTAMU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin' Cat View Post
    So a team should be punished for winning games? You can only play the teams on your schedule.

    Have you seen a CWU game? Aside from WTAMU?
    Central Washingtons opponents this season are likely to finish the season d2 games only
    Western Oregon 5-6 wx2
    Humbolt St. 2-8 wx2
    Simon Fraser 0-9 wx2
    Azusa 7-3 wx2
    WT 5-6 L
    SBU. 0-10 W

    3 wins vs teams with 0 d2 wins
    2 wins vs 1 team +.500 but most of those are vs the same winnless teams CWU has beaten
    4 wins vs teams sub .500
    1 loss to sub .500 team ooc.

    Yes they can only play their schedule, but they should not be rewarded for a crappy schedule. Surely with that resume its safe to say they are ranked to high.

    They have beaten teams that will have a combined win total of 14 by the end of the season. 7 wins vs teams with 7 wins between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boohaha View Post
    In what world is WT a top 30 team? What makes CWU a top 25 team when they lost to same WT squad at home badly. Only winning team the beat is AZUSA. AFCA is name recognition list.
    28-26 is badly? What do you define as a close loss, 1 pt only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boohaha View Post
    Central Washingtons opponents this season are likely to finish the season d2 games only
    Western Oregon 5-6 wx2
    Humbolt St. 2-8 wx2
    Simon Fraser 0-9 wx2
    Azusa 7-3 wx2
    WT 5-6 L
    SBU. 0-10 W

    3 wins vs teams with 0 d2 wins
    2 wins vs 1 team +.500 but most of those are vs the same winnless teams CWU has beaten
    4 wins vs teams sub .500
    1 loss to sub .500 team ooc.

    Yes they can only play their schedule, but they should not be rewarded for a crappy schedule. Surely with that resume its safe to say they are ranked to high.

    They have beaten teams that will have a combined win total of 14 by the end of the season. 7 wins vs teams with 7 wins between them.
    They have an average spread of 31+ points in all of their D2 games. Yes, the teams they play have not been winning. That doesn't mean they are a bad team or not rankable.

    I will also take the lack of an answer to the question about if you had seen them play. I also put some stock into the D2Football poll. I think CWU will get into the playoffs, if they win out, and they can make a run in the playoffs. While their D is down from last year, the offense is much improved. They can pound the ball and that helps come playoff time.

    And you are picking TAMUK to bet WTAMU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat Khan View Post
    28-26 is badly? What do you define as a close loss, 1 pt only?
    Loosing to WT was bad, WT controlled the game from the start, the only time they trailed was after CWU first score and thats because WT couldnt get an extra point to save their lives(1-4 for the game).

    CWU turned the ball over twice.

    If WT was better that game at their xps its a 5 point swing in their favor and the score is 33-24 with 7 of CWUs points comming in garbage time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boohaha View Post
    Loosing to WT was bad, WT controlled the game from the start, the only time they trailed was after CWU first score and thats because WT couldnt get an extra point to save their lives(1-4 for the game).

    CWU turned the ball over twice.

    If WT was better that game at their xps its a 5 point swing in their favor and the score is 33-24 with 7 of CWUs points comming in garbage time.
    Yet ENMU fans argued just today that despite being down something like 31-0 at halftime to Mesa, they are only a few plays away from only having 1 loss? I guess if those few plays are every scoring play for the opposition you have a point...

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    Default Re: AFCA Division II Top 25 (10/22)

    lol GVSU dropped a spot in the poll even though they beat a team that was receiving votes last week (and is still receiving votes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KleShreen View Post
    lol GVSU dropped a spot in the poll even though they beat a team that was receiving votes last week (and is still receiving votes).
    I think Tarleton in front makes sense with being undefeated and dominating their entire schedule. I know the GV loss was close and a great game to a great opponent, but still a loss I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin' Cat View Post
    They have an average spread of 31+ points in all of their D2 games. Yes, the teams they play have not been winning. That doesn't mean they are a bad team or not rankable.

    I will also take the lack of an answer to the question about if you had seen them play. I also put some stock into the D2Football poll. I think CWU will get into the playoffs, if they win out, and they can make a run in the playoffs. While their D is down from last year, the offense is much improved. They can pound the ball and that helps come playoff time.

    And you are picking TAMUK to bet WTAMU?
    Yes Duke carter is out, Hougtling cant throw, kingsville has heart. i have caught glimpses of their play this year. Its them vs high school teams. Tarleton is putting those numbers up vs much better competition, including commerce, Mines went up 21-0 vs AZUSA and coasted to a win. Im not saying Eastern is better than CWU cause Wt beat CWU and ENMU beat WT, thats not the argument. Im saying the teams CWU has beaten have been garbage for the most part, and that all indicators point to their record being a representation of how bad their competition has been, not how good they are.

    Still if WT wins thats a loss vs a 6-5 team that lost to every other team with a winning record they played. CWU SOS is going to be terrible. CWU's opponents wins are still going to just be 14 wins for opponents, 20 for their schedule. 15, and 21 if Western Oregon beats ENMU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbonium View Post
    I think Tarleton in front makes sense with being undefeated and dominating their entire schedule. I know the GV loss was close and a great game to a great opponent, but still a loss I guess.
    Just doesn't seem to make sense based on last week. Beat an RV team, move down despite that same team still being an RV team.

    I agree Tarleton should be ahead, but it seems like that should have happened last week when they beat Commerce, but it didn't. GV was ahead of them last week, beat a "better" team this week based on the opinion of these same voters, and moved down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbonium View Post
    Yet ENMU fans argued just today that despite being down something like 31-0 at halftime to Mesa, they are only a few plays away from only having 1 loss? I guess if those few plays are every scoring play for the opposition you have a point...
    Hey you be quiet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KleShreen View Post
    Just doesn't seem to make sense based on last week. Beat an RV team, move down despite that same team still being an RV team.

    I agree Tarleton should be ahead, but it seems like that should have happened last week when they beat Commerce, but it didn't. GV was ahead of them last week, beat a "better" team this week based on the opinion of these same voters, and moved down.
    Agreed, the timing is strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boohaha View Post
    Yes Duke carter is out, Hougtling cant throw, kingsville has heart. i have caught glimpses of their play this year. Its them vs high school teams. Tarleton is putting those numbers up vs much better competition, including commerce, Mines went up 21-0 vs AZUSA and coasted to a win. Im not saying Eastern is better than CWU cause Wt beat CWU and ENMU beat WT, thats not the argument. Im saying the teams CWU has beaten have been garbage for the most part, and that all indicators point to their record being a representation of how bad their competition has been, not how good they are.

    Still if WT wins thats a loss vs a 6-5 team that lost to every other team with a winning record they played. CWU SOS is going to be terrible. CWU's opponents wins are still going to just be 14 wins for opponents, 20 for their schedule. 15, and 21 if Western Oregon beats ENMU.
    For the sake of argument, how do you stand on TAMUC, which barely beat TAMUK? Is that kind of a bad win?

    I just realized arguing about these polls is like arguing that an MLB player isn't worth his salary.

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