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    Quote Originally Posted by DaleDude View Post
    We are a bottom tier GLIAC team probably better suited for the GMAC than GLIAC.
    The product on the field is GMAC quality...


    Your bashing of the GMAC does not really represent the truth.
    I wasn't intending to bash the GMAC specifically. I was posting in the heat of the moment and the GMAC was the only thing that came to mind.
    It's not a great excuse but it's all I got. I mainly wanted to make the point that the current WSU team isn't good enough to compete with most of the GLIAC competition. Yes, the current squad would have a hard time in almost any D2 conference. I actually like the GMAC, they have several good teams. BTW I wish we still had Hillsdale on our schedule. We've had many good games vs Hillsdale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandman View Post
    Agree with your assessment but I see some good effort from players like Toth, McDade, Pittman and many others but an unnamed OLineman was knocked back farther by a Davenport linebacker than I have ever seen before in college or pro. Have to admit he was a second stringer but it showed to me that we were overmatched to some degree.
    The defense actually played pretty well for most of the game. They were on the field way too long due to the lack of offense and got worn out. As for the QB I think Winters is gonna stick with Amrhein, he really likes him, thinks he's got a lot of potential. We'll see how that works out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WayneStatesman View Post
    The defense actually played pretty well for most of the game. They were on the field way too long due to the lack of offense and got worn out. As for the QB I think Winters is gonna stick with Amrhein, he really likes him, thinks he's got a lot of potential. We'll see how that works out.
    Winters may think he has potential, but it is very obvious that he cannot run. His long throws look nice, but overthrows the receivers too often. He doesn't throw to the tight ends. Now these may all be correctable, except for the running, but Kupp has to be a better option right now if he is healthy. Agree with you about the defensive effort in the last game but you cant leave them out there that long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaleDude View Post
    We are a bottom tier GLIAC team probably better suited for the GMAC than GLIAC.
    The product on the field is GMAC quality...


    Your bashing of the GMAC does not really represent the truth. Yes, Grand Valley and most certainly Ferris State are top tier D2 programs, and Davenport is an up an comer. However, This year, the GMAC's top five teams are 2-2 vs the GLIAC, including ODU's victory over Ashland. The GMAC's bottom teams struggle, especially Lake Erie. LEC not only struggles, they are just not very good and probably should not be playing in the GMAC, or at the D2 level. In out-of-conference games, the GMAC's top five teams are 7-3. The bottom four, not any better, or worse than the GLIAC. The former GLIAC teams that are now in the GMAC (Hillsdale, Tiffin, ODU, and Findlay) did well in the highly competitive GLIAC, and are doing well in their new conference. Take Ferris and GVSU out of the GLIAC and there really isn't all that many teams that are going to be any better than teams in the GMAC, except for LEC. I've always liked the make up of the GLIAC and respect the teams in that conference. However, the GLIAC isn't the best conference in D2. The MIAA, and a couple of others are just as good. When was the last year that the GLIAC won the National Championship? So then you ask, "When did a GMAC team win the NC?" The GMAC is only three years old, compared to the "aged" GLIAC. In head to head competition, right now the GLIAC is most likely a cut above the GMAC, granted, but I believe the day will arrive when GLIAC schools will watch a GMAC team competing for the NC. That's my opinion.
    1. the gmac is not a bad conference...its just not as good as the gliac...not really that close even...have you noticed that nearly every time a team leaves the gliac they win their new conference? these are not teams that were winning the gliac either by the way...right now notre dame is winning their conference...indy wins the glvc nearly every year...the former mid to bottom tier of the gliac is now the top 5 teams in the gmac...mercyhurst played in the psac title game shortly after they left...when you have a great program like gvsu, and now fsu and even ashland sort of...it forces everyone else to step up their game and get better

    2. who are these conferences better than the gliac? the miaa who got beat twice by the gliac last year and will likely get beat twice again? the gsc whom gliac teams have beaten many straight times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewEraWarrior View Post
    If Wayne loses this game....well then I think Wayne will have reached it's lowest point in a LONGGGGG time. So low that unfortunately I think dramatic changes will have to be made to the entire program
    WSU supporters, this a new low for the program. How far the program has fallen since appearing in the National Championship only 7 years ago can only be described as a failure. The recruiting has failed, the coaching has failed, the administration has failed. As a WSU supporter, the recent years have been complete FAILURES, all culminating to this. Do NOT be fooled if we somehow win 3 of the final 5 (which I don’t think we do). The QB play has been simply not good among many other issues. The fact the coaching staff refuses to play Zezula who started all games for the previous 3 seasons proves their is animosity going on behind the scenes. Also heard the Comcast tv broadcast announce Stinson was no longer on the team; not a coincidence he was benched last week after a fumble and then no longer on the team the next week. That is simply players quitting on the team but it’s more when it’s a Senior Captain.

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    I agree completely. As you know if you've read many of my previous posts I've basically been saying a lot of the same things. Have been very critical of Winters for a while. It seems the team, especially the offense is playing with no emotion, no spirit, no will to win.

    My question to you and other Wayne State fans is where do we go from here? I don't think the AD will fire Winters after this season even if we go 1-10 so we will be seeing more of the same probably. Although I think Winters will have to make some changes in his staff but then again he's the guy that assembled the current staff and is primarily responsible for the lousy recruiting. The future looks dim right now. I hope somebody can give me a ray of hope.

    As for Stinson and Zezula I've been led to believe that Winters is loved by his players. If that's true there must something else going on behind the scenes.

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    Agree with much of what you guys are saying. That takes three captains of the five out of the lineup with one possibly being a quitter. Zezula was a captain last year and was not selected this year. I think that may be part of the qb problem. Im not sure what happened to Kupp but rumors of an illness have been circulating. AmRhein pretty much got the job by default. Most teams qb's are their hub and Wayne State has not had a stable situation for years. The current problems have to be addressed but long term is more important. I hope Winters stays as coach because as one of you said in a prior post, a good man, loves his players and has brought some success to the program. Im sticking with Winters and hope he gets the qbs and receiving situation changed and running like our running backs and linebackers who annually seem to be effective and respected by the rest of the league

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    Hmmm... I generally don’t like to share information that I cannot confirm but I’ve heard that Zezula and possibly others have also left the team. This will be an interesting week ahead.

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    Yes. This will be interesting. He was a savior for us 4 years ago when our starting qb went down on the first play of the first game. The second stringer lasted one series and then a true freshman took over. Kupp who came to the Awards banquet when he was a senior in high school decided to try it at Central Michigan. He returned the following year. IMO this qb shuffle has to stop. Not too long ago we had three qb's, one who could run but not pass, one who could pass but not run and another who wasn't very good at either. QB, recruiting, training, and useage must be improved or I am afraid that we are in for many more seasons like this.

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    The tale of the tape... it was ugly for WSU

    DU WSU
    Total Yards 377 107
    Pass Yards 141 82
    Rushing Yards 236 25
    Penalty Yards 4-33 5-40
    1st Downs 18 7
    3rd Downs 5-15 1-11
    4th Downs 3-4 0-1
    TOP 39:38 20:22

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDRussell View Post
    The tale of the tape... it was ugly for WSU

    DU WSU
    Total Yards 377 107
    Pass Yards 141 82
    Rushing Yards 236 25
    Penalty Yards 4-33 5-40
    1st Downs 18 7
    3rd Downs 5-15 1-11
    4th Downs 3-4 0-1
    TOP 39:38 20:22
    DU - has been doing this all year --- the weather didn't help either..... As a DU fan, I am just as surprised as everyone else they have continue to do what they did early in the season against GLIAC opps. DU's defense continues to perform week after week...Last week they held NM to 138 yards rushing, and Mayon only had 47 yds. Northern and Quincy only 2 teams to get more than 100 yards rushing on them, it was the QB's that lead their team's rushing attack, but what is weird those games, the passing yards were under hundred. DU's defense is only giving up 14 pts a game, 54 yds rushing, 123 yards passing, and 178 yards total off a game.

    The stat that is amazing is TOP -- were DU has the ball 36 mins a game, to opps 24... That helps the Defense -- teams are only coverting 19% on 3rd down, which means a lot of 3 and outs..... I don't think WSU played that poorly against other teams?

    With that said, those numbers will be escalated here after the NU game -- as DU will play GVSU/ASH/FSU/SVSU --- hoping they can beat ASH/SVSU/NU to finish 9-2!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandman View Post
    Yes. This will be interesting. He was a savior for us 4 years ago when our starting qb went down on the first play of the first game. The second stringer lasted one series and then a true freshman took over. Kupp who came to the Awards banquet when he was a senior in high school decided to try it at Central Michigan. He returned the following year. IMO this qb shuffle has to stop. Not too long ago we had three qb's, one who could run but not pass, one who could pass but not run and another who wasn't very good at either. QB, recruiting, training, and useage must be improved or I am afraid that we are in for many more seasons like this.
    I was told a few months ago by a guy on the coaching staff at Warren DeLaSalle that Luke Pfromm their QB last season that signed with Wayne State in Feb is probably the best QB on Wayne's roster. He's 6'5" 230 lbs and can run. I believe he's being red-shirted, not sure but he's supposed to be a good one. We'll find out maybe next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DUpanthers View Post
    DU - has been doing this all year --- the weather didn't help either..... As a DU fan, I am just as surprised as everyone else they have continue to do what they did early in the season against GLIAC opps. DU's defense continues to perform week after week...Last week they held NM to 138 yards rushing, and Mayon only had 47 yds. Northern and Quincy only 2 teams to get more than 100 yards rushing on them, it was the QB's that lead their team's rushing attack, but what is weird those games, the passing yards were under hundred. DU's defense is only giving up 14 pts a game, 54 yds rushing, 123 yards passing, and 178 yards total off a game.

    The stat that is amazing is TOP -- were DU has the ball 36 mins a game, to opps 24... That helps the Defense -- teams are only coverting 19% on 3rd down, which means a lot of 3 and outs..... I don't think WSU played that poorly against other teams?

    With that said, those numbers will be escalated here after the NU game -- as DU will play GVSU/ASH/FSU/SVSU --- hoping they can beat ASH/SVSU/NU to finish 9-2!
    I applaud the Panthers for what they've accomplished so far. I can imagine how good you feel watching your team do well week after week, especially when nobody expected it. I hope your team does get to 9-2. It would knock the GLIAC and D2 for a loop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WayneStatesman View Post
    I was told a few months ago by a guy on the coaching staff at Warren DeLaSalle that Luke Pfaff their QB last season that signed with Wayne State in Feb is probably the best QB on Wayne's roster. He's 6'5" 230 lbs and can run. I believe he's being red-shirted, not sure but he's supposed to be a good one. We'll find out maybe next year.
    If he is that good let him play this year. With the new redshirt rules I think he can play in 4 games and not lose a year of eligibility. Might be the spark that's needed. They started Zezula, a true freshman, 4 years ago when needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandman View Post
    If he is that good let him play this year. With the new redshirt rules I think he can play in 4 games and not lose a year of eligibility. Might be the spark that's needed. They started Zezula, a true freshman, 4 years ago when needed.
    Pretty sure that it doesn't apply to D2 teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwing View Post
    Pretty sure that it doesn't apply to D2 teams.
    Redwing-Thanks. Looks like D1 only

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDRussell View Post
    Hmmm... I generally don’t like to share information that I cannot confirm but I’ve heard that Zezula and possibly others have also left the team. This will be an interesting week ahead.
    Yesterdays posting of the WSU game notes for the upcoming Tech game does show that Stinson is no longer on the roster. All other players, out of the 106, remain on the reported roster. Do not know how official the game notes have to be, but Zezula and other possible departed players are still listed. Hope they all remain. Wayne State football is not known for having players quit. On the contrary .Captain Scott Toth put out on the internet that the locker room is quite united in turning things around. Every team has problems and they multiply as the losses mount up. I'm so disappointed in this years results but I am not giving up. If the passing game doesn't show improvement I might consider.


    Does anybody know what has happened to Charlie Younger, our Junior Captain Center, who has not played since the Saginaw Valley game and is not on the two deep published with the game notes? It is not a plus to have 3 of your 5 Captains not playing. Deonte Nicholas(injury), Younger(?), Stinson.

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