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    2018 NCAA DIVISION II FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME BIDS OPEN

    INDIANAPOLIS — The NCAA is currently accepting bids to host the final game of the 2018 Division II Football Championship.

    Information on bid requirements for the Dec. 15 contest may be found at ncaa.org/championships/division-ii-football. Bids for the championship game will be accepted until Monday, Sept. 17, with a new site being awarded shortly after.

    Bids for the 2019-21 Division II national championship football games will be open to interested parties at a later date.

    The 2018-22 championship games were awarded to Children’s Mercy Park, the home field of Major League Soccer’s Sporting Kansas City, but field renovations will prohibit the game from being played this December.

    This is a confusing announcement form the NCAA. Seems to imply that 1. The 2018 game will not be played in KC and 2. They will be having bids for the 2019-21 game venue at a later date.

    Sooooo...does this mean they are moving the game for 2018 and 2019-2021 OR just 2018?

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    Sporting KC / Childrens Mercy Park really screwed Kansas City and the MIAA. They just notified them that they are wanting to redo their pitch after the season (which could be as late as Dec 8) but are unwilling to wait until after the NC game. I would hope that they are having to make a big payout to the MIAA for breaking the contract! Needless to say, you can bet that it screws over KC in the long run with the NCAA. It would leave a bad impression in my mind if I was on a decision making board in the future and the city of Kansas City puts in to host other championships (which they do.)

    With such short notice, they are rebidding this year separate, and do the other 3 years left on the contract later.
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    This is rather big news for a Monday afternoon. It will be interesting to see who bids for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Bitner View Post
    This is rather big news for a Monday afternoon. It will be interesting to see who bids for it.
    I'm guessing you can start with the locations the bid for it before. I can't find the list from who the finalists were before. I believe Detroit was one of them. I think Ford Field put in a bid to host both the D2 and D3 championship games on the same day or weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KleShreen View Post
    I'm guessing you can start with the locations the bid for it before. I can't find the list from who the finalists were before. I believe Detroit was one of them. I think Ford Field put in a bid to host both the D2 and D3 championship games on the same day or weekend.
    Also think a HS in Arkansas was a finalist?
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    Attendance in KC was as strong as it's been in awhile, but how much of that had to do with two years with NWMSU and one with Mankato?

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    Florence, Ala., and Bentonville, Ark. were the other finalists last time.

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    I believe that was the previous- the first time that KC won it. Not sure who the finalists were this last time- when it was announced in the spring

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanger86 View Post
    Attendance in KC was as strong as it's been in awhile, but how much of that had to do with two years with NWMSU and one with Mankato?
    Ummm...4,259 last year is the lowest DII Champ game attendance since 2010 (4,027) and 4th lowest attendance since the inception of the DII NC Game in 1973.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KleShreen View Post
    I'm guessing you can start with the locations the bid for it before. I can't find the list from who the finalists were before. I believe Detroit was one of them. I think Ford Field put in a bid to host both the D2 and D3 championship games on the same day or weekend.
    I know they put the bid in. Not sure if it was a both or nothing. And the venue works well even with a smaller crowd. The HS champ games are played there and at least sitting in the stands, the atmosphere was pretty sweet. (I know folks will know the "look" etc., but don't knock it till you've been there.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    Ummm...4,259 last year is the lowest DII Champ game attendance since 2010 (4,027) and 4th lowest attendance since the inception of the DII NC Game in 1973.
    And before then? The two highest since 2002, including the highest ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    Ummm...4,259 last year is the lowest DII Champ game attendance since 2010 (4,027) and 4th lowest attendance since the inception of the DII NC Game in 1973.
    I imagine that unless there is an adjacent team playing attendance will continue to creep down. Nobody local is going for the hell of it. Those days are gone. Too many options to watch something without leaving your indentation on the couch. Cost of travel is the big prohibition. Unless your kid is playing in the game or you're directly affected by the outcome its a hard sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanger86 View Post
    And before then? The two highest since 2002, including the highest ever
    And the first year the attendance was on par with what Braley was getting at the end of it's run. Small sample size but it seems the only way KC pull a "big" crowds is if local NW Missouri is in the game. Face it, absent the truly "local" team in the game, this game is going to draw somewhere between 4 and 9 thousand. Local and casual fans from the local community are just not going to attend in big numbers for a game they don't really care about.

    Only chance you have to move the needle (and that is probably only into the 11K range) is to put the game in a destination location were tourists go to outside of the football game. I'd be much more inclined to go to a game in December in Orlando with all there is to do outside of the game that to go to KC for a 3 hour football game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BearcatDude View Post
    I believe that was the previous- the first time that KC won it. Not sure who the finalists were this last time- when it was announced in the spring
    They moved up the dates so early last time no one knew the bids were open!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanger86 View Post
    Florence, Ala., and Bentonville, Ark. were the other finalists last time.
    I just emailed folks in Florence and here in Pensacola.

    We shall see how this all unfolds.

    Sure didn't see this coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    And the first year the attendance was on par with what Braley was getting at the end of it's run. Small sample size but it seems the only way KC pull a "big" crowds is if local NW Missouri is in the game. Face it, absent the truly "local" team in the game, this game is going to draw somewhere between 4 and 9 thousand. Local and casual fans from the local community are just not going to attend in big numbers for a game they don't really care about.
    We were all hoping it would change in a big city. But, it didn't. Glad we have the stats to prove that and move on with just getting it in a good location for this season and beyond.

    Not that they weren't a good location...just not the savior location (when the MIAA isn't in it).

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    The Tacoma Dome. Indoors. Hosted IAA games in the 80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNALions View Post
    We were all hoping it would change in a big city. But, it didn't. Glad we have the stats to prove that and move on with just getting it in a good location for this season and beyond.

    Not that they weren't a good location...just not the savior location (when the MIAA isn't in it).
    LOL - You remember who played in the last game right? A school with zero alumni buy in, and Commerce. There were about 7 fans there from West Fl and the rest were from Commerce.
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    This is a very broad question but where do you guys think it’ll ultimately be?

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    It seems to me that there have always been two challenges to this game - one, the challenge of booking very late travel and the cost because of it, and two, the seeming lack of cross-promotional opportunities to entice football fans who would normally not come to this game to go. To simply try to combine D2 and D3 together may add a few more butts in seats, but it really doesn't solve either of the two above problems.

    So, a better approach might be to have the game(s) in places like Orlando or Las Vegas where you could entice non-participating school football fans to the game in exchange for locally attractive giveaways (Disney discounts, casino giveaways, etc.). Travel to these locations is pretty ubiquitous from many airports, and can be cheaper. My experience is Vegas is cheaper for last minute travel. They could play at UNLV until the new Raider stadium is constructed. Orlando has a bunch of facility options, and usually great weather. I think if you seek to solve these issues, the best options will become evident.

    There is always talk of ease of auto travel being important. No doubt that should weigh as a factor. But it should not be THE factor.

    It may be tough to pull off for this year so late in the calendar, but I hope someone takes a bigger view of the challenge.


    And yes, Sporting KC sucks. WTF!!

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