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    Game Notes: https://esuhornets.com/news/2018/8/2...ern-state.aspx

    Any NSU fans care to chime in with some thoughts? Interested to hear what people think about the roster turnover and how that might impact the team. ESU should come out with purpose this game and hopefully take control early. I find it hard to imagine NSU winning this against a team like ESU whose players have mostly all been in the same system for years. I think the chemistry and leadership for the Hornets will prove to be the biggest separator in the game.

    Marstall and Co. will probably have quite the showing this game as well. Felt like the offense took a step back last year and defense was nowhere to be found. I really hope the defense made some major strides and comes out ready to compete against some very high level athletes.

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    Not a NSU fan anymore, but I would be surprised if the game is competitive. Wasn't it 44-7 last year? The "nowhere to be found" defense held NSU to 8 first downs (2 for 17 on third down). NSU's defense should be weaker this year, but their offense should improve. We'll see, but I'd be surprised if the game is closer than 20 in the second half.

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    ESU is kind of flying under the radar so far this year. They return almost all of their skill position people on offense along with both starting tackles. Defensively things had to change. The major change is that the d-line has gotten another year older and should be a bit bigger. They need to get more production out of someone other than Trevaun Ammons along the front.
    All that being said the Hornets were probably two plays and one bad bowl decision away from winning eight or maybe nine games last year.
    I've gotta think this is a big year for Robinson at NSU. He is 6-38 in his first four years. I'm not saying things can't change - Higgins was 14-30 headed into his fifth year at ESU but I don't remember him blowing up the roster. It will be interesting to see what kind of athletes the RiverHawks put on the field and how they react if things go south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornetfan View Post
    I've gotta think this is a big year for Robinson at NSU. He is 6-38 in his first four years. I'm not saying things can't change - Higgins was 14-30 headed into his fifth year at ESU but I don't remember him blowing up the roster. It will be interesting to see what kind of athletes the RiverHawks put on the field and how they react if things go south.
    It probably should be his last year at NSU. Remember that 3 of those wins were in year two... I don't know of ANY coach that has had this kind of turnover in a single year, especially with a roster full of "their" guys. I am actually expecting bookend 0-11 years for Robinson, but things can change...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bytor View Post
    Not a NSU fan anymore, but I would be surprised if the game is competitive. Wasn't it 44-7 last year? The "nowhere to be found" defense held NSU to 8 first downs (2 for 17 on third down). NSU's defense should be weaker this year, but their offense should improve. We'll see, but I'd be surprised if the game is closer than 20 in the second half.
    Must be nice to get a bye in week 1. Hope ESU makes the most of it!
    Roll Chos!

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    We graduated some studs at WR- Ervin in15 and Foote in2016. We need someone to step up and help Justin Brown. If WRs don’t improve, the offense goes 3 and out far too often. Defense will be younger with a true fr at CB and a Rsoph at Mike LB. Def. has other fr and soph in 2 deep.
    We also have a new K, P, and LS. Last year our best player was our punter, which is not a good thing. I hopeoffense gets rolled early, with 4 or 5 TDS by half.

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    I expect ESU to have a great group of receivers this year if they can stay healthy. Lots of guys need to step up and make big plays this year, something that was lacking from last year. Defense is definitely a concern, but it sounds like they are putting the best 11 guys out there, despite lack of experience for many of the new faces. Special teams will probably give me anxiety all year. The last 4 years we were blessed with an amazing group of guys, never had to worry about a bad snap, now every time we punt I'll be holding my breath until the ball is kicked lol.

    The Hornets should take the field ready to take care of business. This staff respects the entirety of the MIAA because they all know what it was like to be in the position of a team like NSU. Should be a decent showing for ESU considering the amount of players from Oklahoma on the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esufan75 View Post
    We graduated some studs at WR- Ervin in15 and Foote in2016. We need someone to step up and help Justin Brown. If WRs don’t improve, the offense goes 3 and out far too often. Defense will be younger with a true fr at CB and a Rsoph at Mike LB. Def. has other fr and soph in 2 deep.
    We also have a new K, P, and LS. Last year our best player was our punter, which is not a good thing. I hopeoffense gets rolled early, with 4 or 5 TDS by half.
    The biggest drop off at WR last year was Mo Williams getting hurt near the end of training camp. He was a guy that went for almost 200 yards against NWMSU in the playoffs and 160 against Minnesota State as a sophomore in 2015 and then had 134 against UMD in the 2016 playoffs. He missed the first three games of last year with the shoulder injury and was never really the same catching the football.

    I think Jordan Reed and Tyler Harris will step up this year and a new name to look for at WR is Kyle Harrison. He's a transfer from Ft. Scott CC and has some size like Ray Ray Davis did.

    Defense is young but pretty talented. The true freshman at CB is Jaedon Pool out of Carl Albert HS in Midwest City, Okla. He's got the size and speed to be something really special. Jayce McDown is the RS-Soph at the Mike and he was the MVP of the Kansas Shrine Bowl in 2016. And Trevaun Ammons might be the best defensive player in the league this year. He's playing more of standup end/OLB this year and could have a monster season.

    As for our best player being a punter last year - Marcha may have been the best punter in the nation last year but that doesn't necessarily mean he was the best football player on the team. That being said special teams will be a bit of a worry. When was the last time a team had an All-American kicker and All-American punter on the same team? Not to mention a long snapper that didn't miss on any snap while starting 49 games? Those three guys took a lot of pressure off the offense and defense for the last four years.

    I am so ready for it to be game time.

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    Apparently game has been delayed until 7:30

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    Esu by 50

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    Esu goes for it on 4th and one
    Scores but gets the field goal blocked

    13-0 ESU
    1:18 Left in the 1st qtr

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    Nice little pass by nsu
    13-7
    3:16 left in the half

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    27-7
    6:13 left in the third

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    That was easy 34-7
    6:00 left in third

    I might Get my ESU by 50 after all

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    Thoughts on the game:
    The best thing I took away from this game is how far the program has come in the last six years. The Hornets went on the road in the MIAA and came away with a 34-7 win, gave up the fewest yards in the league, scored the second most points and feel like they left a lot on the table. There was a time when getting any kind of win on the road in the MIAA was hard for ESU.

    The most amazing thing I took away is how there was basically an inland hurricane at 5 pm and by kick-off at 7:30 it was a gorgeous night for football. Weather is weird sometimes.

    Parker Bass was a machine on defense last night. He was credited with five tackles and all five of them were behind the line of scrimmage. He was half a sack away from tying the ESU single game record with 3.5 sacks. He also had a forced fumble and a fumble recovery.

    Landon Nault is becoming a really good back in this league. He ended up with 19 carries for 88 yards and two touchdowns. He had three carries on third or fourth down and got a first down on each of them.

    My Kyle Harrison prediction was terrible. Part of that was that the passing game in general was pretty bad last night (at least by ESU standards). But it looks like passing was way down across the league. When was the last time no MIAA QB threw for at least 250 yards during a day of regular season action?

    My Trevaun Ammons prediction was terrible. He really didn't stand out at all.

    I know someone said that relying on turnovers is basically relying on luck but three of the four fumbles that ESU recovered came after big time hits and strips of the football. Granted part of that is just bad offense but part of that is emphasis on delivering a hit and playing through the whistle in my mind.

    Special teams were probably a mixed bag. Tyler Harris was servicable replacing All-American Justin Marcha, I don't remember a problem with the long snaps for ESU, kick coverage seemed pretty good, and the return game was solid. Bad thing was missing two field goals and getting an extra point blocked.

    Overall I'm not that surprised by the outcome. There was a part of me that thought ESU might come in an drop 60 on NSU but when you watch how they played offensively they were pretty vanilla. Except for the one flea flicker they ran in the third quarter.

    I am excited for next Thursday. I hope there is a huge crowd and the Hornets can get their third win in the last four games against the Gorillas.

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    Dude, you played Northeastern State for God's sake!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepeman View Post
    Dude, you played Northeastern State for God's sake!
    Amen. I think that most MIAA teams will have great games against NSU.

    But it's okay to get excited...

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    I dont Know if you just wanted to write a long post for the hell of it or what but.... It was only NSU come on now, what did you honestly expect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reloadmvp View Post
    I dont Know if you just wanted to write a long post for the hell of it or what but.... It was only NSU come on now, what did you honestly expect?
    I expected a 50-10 type game and didn't get it.
    To put a little perspective on that - last year WU and FHSU both beat NSU 31-7 and the spread for NWMSU and UCM was 28 points.
    BTW I've seen much longer posts about a lot of other things during my time on this board.

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    blowouts aren’t all the same and margins can become increasingly less significant comparatively.

    idk what you take away from a game like that as the lid lifter other than it’s obv not a bad thing

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