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    I have read all the threads here about LSC schools moving on up to D1. Tarleton State, TAMUC, WTAM etc. The only LSC school not talking about it is Texas A&M Kingsville. This is a University that would probably benefit the most in moving to D1. The Javelinas have been in the top of all D2 schools when it comes to attendance. The Javs have a great history, save for the last 5 or 6 years. I ask the powers that be, what gives? There has already been talk about merging Texas A&M Kingsville with Texas A&M Corpus Christi but went array due to talk behind closed doors. The Islanders already have a D1 program but no football. The Javelinas have all the sports but are in D2 with many players from the Corpus Christi High Schools. If they merge, the football team would not have to wait to compete in the playoffs due to TAMUCC being already in D1. UTRGV is about to start football and UTSA just started their football program a few years ago and they are encroaching on the two Universities in the Coastal Bend. If the A&Ms merge the student body will be about 22k and growing! This needs to happen! Now, what to do about the mascot? The colors can be blue, green and gold. Your thoughts?

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    This should work

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Hoggie View Post
    I have read all the threads here about LSC schools moving on up to D1. Tarleton State, TAMUC, WTAM etc. The only LSC school not talking about it is Texas A&M Kingsville. This is a University that would probably benefit the most in moving to D1. The Javelinas have been in the top of all D2 schools when it comes to attendance. The Javs have a great history, save for the last 5 or 6 years. I ask the powers that be, what gives? There has already been talk about merging Texas A&M Kingsville with Texas A&M Corpus Christi but went array due to talk behind closed doors. The Islanders already have a D1 program but no football. The Javelinas have all the sports but are in D2 with many players from the Corpus Christi High Schools. If they merge, the football team would not have to wait to compete in the playoffs due to TAMUCC being already in D1. UTRGV is about to start football and UTSA just started their football program a few years ago and they are encroaching on the two Universities in the Coastal Bend. If the A&Ms merge the student body will be about 22k and growing! This needs to happen! Now, what to do about the mascot? The colors can be blue, green and gold. Your thoughts?
    The only way this merger ever happens is if CC gets the better end of the deal. No way will they accept sports in K’ville. Everyone knows CC has the better venue for sports.
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    We need facility improvements just to remain competitive in the LSC and Division II before we jump into Division I.

    We are WAYYYYYYY behind our counterparts in the LSC. Look at what WTAM is building and that is what we would need to get noticed down here in D1 or the FCS division. We need a major renovation or a totally new stadium which include all the bells and whistles you see with the WTAM stadium. Tarleton is doing some good things too and it won't be too long before Midwestern gets into the new/renovation thing too.

    Our "arena", AKA the Spec is also dated and needs a replacement. And the baseball program deserves some love too. They need their own locker facilities and indoor batting cages and it would be nice to get a real material type netting around the backstops and baselines so you can watch a game through it vs the chain link fencing.

    BUT it's going to take an AD with a vision and willingness to engage the community, alumni, business, and current students to get this done. We have lacked that type of person in that position. We've had one that thought spending athletic fees on intramural fields and for fancy beach volleyball courts was priority vs the bread and butter sports. Our counterparts such as Angelo, WTAM, Tarleton, Commerce, and even Eastern New Mexico have managed to find that person who has either started the ball rolling or completed the job for another person who started the process. I hear about capital campaigns for this and that at the school, but yet they don't exclusively focus on the athletic program.

    So until we bring that type of person in, we will not be able to give every tool to our coaches need to recruit and bring the best student athletes down here to play those bread and butter sports. And it's a shame because I feel right now we have some good coaches in those particular programs. Thanks to the world we live in (social media driven), in order to recruit you have to have bling whether you like or not. The NAIA championship banners from 40 years ago displayed on the stadium walls are irrelevant to most kids today. The first question from them is " What the heck is the NAIA?" Kind of like them looking a rotary telephone or type writer. Many have never, ever seen one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    The only this merger ever happens is if CC gets the better end of the deal. No way will they accept sports in K’ville. Everyone knows CC has the better venue for sports.
    Their current stadiums SUCK EGGS for college use. They would have to build a whole new facility.

    One is in the middle of refinery row in Corpus (Buc Stadium). While the stadium itself is big ( holds 23k) and was a WPA project during the Great Depression, like I said, it's in refinery row and the neighborhood isn't exactly the best one in the city. Once upon a time it was the better part of the city. The other stadium they could use is OK for a class 4A or 5A high school.

    When the merger was discussed, the plan floated was to build a new stadium in Kingsville and to purchase an existing baseball field in Robstown (up the road from Kingsville and borders Corpus) that was used by an independent league baseball team before the Ryans/Astros and the CC Hooks opened Whataburger Field on the Ship Channel. Actually that would of been a good deal because the county wanted to unload for 100K and it's a decent facility that needs a few updates here and there . If the merger would of occurred and we went Southland, that baseball facility would be the best in the Southland hands down. And Sammy Houston has a very nice one from what I've seen.

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    Not saying you are wrong, but CC has the population and political clout. This would look bad on their politicians. In saying all of this, I think the merger is inevitable some time down the road. Things have to be more dire than they are at the present with enrollment and state funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    Not saying you are wrong, but CC has the population and political clout. This would look bad on their politicians. In saying all of this, I think the merger is inevitable some time down the road. Things have to be more dire than they are at the present with enrollment and state funding.
    I don't disagree. When this last proposal went down in flames, it only went down because some movers and shakers who have ruled the roost here in Corpus for decades (IE Old Money families) made sure it was killed by the same politicians and other community activists who were almost 100% on board when discussions were held in College Station, Corpus and Kingsville before the details were released by one of those Old Money families. The same old money interests who have torpedoed things they didn't like here for decades. We call it the Real Estate Cartel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Hoggie View Post
    I have read all the threads here about LSC schools moving on up to D1. Tarleton State, TAMUC, WTAM etc. The only LSC school not talking about it is Texas A&M Kingsville. This is a University that would probably benefit the most in moving to D1. The Javelinas have been in the top of all D2 schools when it comes to attendance. The Javs have a great history, save for the last 5 or 6 years. I ask the powers that be, what gives? There has already been talk about merging Texas A&M Kingsville with Texas A&M Corpus Christi but went array due to talk behind closed doors. The Islanders already have a D1 program but no football. The Javelinas have all the sports but are in D2 with many players from the Corpus Christi High Schools. If they merge, the football team would not have to wait to compete in the playoffs due to TAMUCC being already in D1. UTRGV is about to start football and UTSA just started their football program a few years ago and they are encroaching on the two Universities in the Coastal Bend. If the A&Ms merge the student body will be about 22k and growing! This needs to happen! Now, what to do about the mascot? The colors can be blue, green and gold. Your thoughts?
    One would think that the Southland Conf would open up the door & let em in based on this information.

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    [QUOTE=El-Hoggie;2236281If they merge, the football team would not have to wait to compete in the playoffs due to TAMUCC being already in D1. [/QUOTE]

    I’ve been thinking and looking, and I can’t find a case where schools merged and a D2 football team moved up to D1. With that said, I would bet they would still serve a 4 year transition period. Unless they completely restarted the football program it would still need to “transition” from D2 to D1. It’s just not the same as if corpus were to start a football program. In that case, yes, they would be immediately eligible for postseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Hoggie View Post
    I have read all the threads here about LSC schools moving on up to D1. Tarleton State, TAMUC, WTAM etc. The only LSC school not talking about it is Texas A&M Kingsville. This is a University that would probably benefit the most in moving to D1. The Javelinas have been in the top of all D2 schools when it comes to attendance. The Javs have a great history, save for the last 5 or 6 years. I ask the powers that be, what gives? There has already been talk about merging Texas A&M Kingsville with Texas A&M Corpus Christi but went array due to talk behind closed doors. The Islanders already have a D1 program but no football. The Javelinas have all the sports but are in D2 with many players from the Corpus Christi High Schools. If they merge, the football team would not have to wait to compete in the playoffs due to TAMUCC being already in D1. UTRGV is about to start football and UTSA just started their football program a few years ago and they are encroaching on the two Universities in the Coastal Bend. If the A&Ms merge the student body will be about 22k and growing! This needs to happen! Now, what to do about the mascot? The colors can be blue, green and gold. Your thoughts?
    I agree with others. We should not consider a move to D1 unless we merge with CC, and as LSC Fan said, that merger will only happen if CC gets the better end of the deal. In other words, CC gets all sports, the mascot, colors, and most of the colleges move to CC. But, YAY, we'll be D1.

    Our beloved Javelina Stadium will soon be dead last in the LSC as everyone has built/is building new facilities. Even ENeMa U is finally moving out of Blackwater Draw. I'm a bit surprised we have not heard anything about capital projects since the announcement by Gines at the Tarleton game last year. We need to make major improvements to our facilities.
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    Another thought comes to mind although it could be way off course. Could it be that the under current of the merger has put a hold on investing in the Athletic facilities in K’ville?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSCfan1 View Post
    I’ve been thinking and looking, and I can’t find a case where schools merged and a D2 football team moved up to D1. With that said, I would bet they would still serve a 4 year transition period. Unless they completely restarted the football program it would still need to “transition” from D2 to D1. It’s just not the same as if corpus were to start a football program. In that case, yes, they would be immediately eligible for postseason.
    My grandpa used to say be careful what you wish for. If the merger occurs, my bet is that FB team becomes the Islanders and maybe keeping Javs school colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloFan View Post

    This should work
    HAHAHA...."What do you want me to do? Dress in drag and do the hula"?

    https://youtu.be/Etkws_5mexg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    My grandpa used to say be careful what you wish for. If the merger occurs, my bet is that FB team becomes the Islanders and maybe keeping Javs school colors.
    Or they could do what UTPA and UTB did when they merged a few years ago to become UTRGV and dump the mascot altogether for both and start new. The merger in itself and rename of the combined campus didn't cause as much a stir than dumping the Bronc mascot. UT-Brownsville had a very small athletic program that was either NAIA or D3 and really didn't make a name for itself which made some of the UTPA/Pan Am alums scratch their heads about changing the mascot and not just carrying it over to the new school. They did keep some of the color scheme from UTPA, but added more orange. I wonder if that is a mandate from the mother school since off the top of my head, it seems all the UT system schools have orange in the color schemes. I really think if the UTPA athletic program was stronger in the sense they were in a stable conference and winning, they might of been able to retain the mascot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUPops View Post
    HAHAHA...."What do you want me to do? Dress in drag and do the hula"?

    https://youtu.be/Etkws_5mexg
    HA! Dressing in drag is reserved for ASU Ram fans from Allen and Wall, Texas. Along with ACU fans from around the globe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSC Fan View Post
    We need facility improvements just to remain competitive in the LSC and Division II before we jump into Division I.

    We are WAYYYYYYY behind our counterparts in the LSC. Look at what WTAM is building and that is what we would need to get noticed down here in D1 or the FCS division. We need a major renovation or a totally new stadium which include all the bells and whistles you see with the WTAM stadium. Tarleton is doing some good things too and it won't be too long before Midwestern gets into the new/renovation thing too.

    Our "arena", AKA the Spec is also dated and needs a replacement. And the baseball program deserves some love too. They need their own locker facilities and indoor batting cages and it would be nice to get a real material type netting around the backstops and baselines so you can watch a game through it vs the chain link fencing.

    BUT it's going to take an AD with a vision and willingness to engage the community, alumni, business, and current students to get this done. We have lacked that type of person in that position. We've had one that thought spending athletic fees on intramural fields and for fancy beach volleyball courts was priority vs the bread and butter sports. Our counterparts such as Angelo, WTAM, Tarleton, Commerce, and even Eastern New Mexico have managed to find that person who has either started the ball rolling or completed the job for another person who started the process. I hear about capital campaigns for this and that at the school, but yet they don't exclusively focus on the athletic program.

    So until we bring that type of person in, we will not be able to give every tool to our coaches need to recruit and bring the best student athletes down here to play those bread and butter sports. And it's a shame because I feel right now we have some good coaches in those particular programs. Thanks to the world we live in (social media driven), in order to recruit you have to have bling whether you like or not. The NAIA championship banners from 40 years ago displayed on the stadium walls are irrelevant to most kids today. The first question from them is " What the heck is the NAIA?" Kind of like them looking a rotary telephone or type writer. Many have never, ever seen one.
    It's been 20 years since I've been to Piggie Stadium, but I had to go down there for work a few months back.. Did a workout at the football stadium, and it hasn't changed a bit since I last went down there.. Serious upgrades are needed to that facility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUPops View Post
    HAHAHA...."What do you want me to do? Dress in drag and do the hula"?

    https://youtu.be/Etkws_5mexg
    Na. The dude was wanting to know what the mascot would be for TAMUCC+kv. They need something with pigs and islanders. I just thought this would be a great mix

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    Quote Originally Posted by gruesome View Post
    It's been 20 years since I've been to Piggie Stadium, but I had to go down there for work a few months back.. Did a workout at the football stadium, and it hasn't changed a bit since I last went down there.. Serious upgrades are needed to that facility.
    We've installed turf and a new track and added some restrooms (which are far removed from the stadium) and ticket booths and that's about it. The press box hasn't been touched for a half century or more.

    The big mistake is not taking a piecemeal approach to doing renovations if they are not going to be on board to a massive rebuild. One year the press boxes should be the focus on both sides of the stadium with the goal of adding some suites along with grandstand refurbishment . The west stands need to be replaced in total. A few years ago during a high school football playoff game I attended, a fan fell through the stands on that side of the stadium. Good thing ( and that is just a figure of speech), he/she was only six or seven rows up and managed to only have minor injuries. Then the next goal would be to refurbish the locker rooms, common areas like concession stands , training and related facilities in and around the stadium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSC Fan View Post
    We've installed turf and a new track and added some restrooms (which are far removed from the stadium) and ticket booths and that's about it. The press box hasn't been touched for a half century or more.

    The big mistake is not taking a piecemeal approach to doing renovations if they are not going to be on board to a massive rebuild. One year the press boxes should be the focus on both sides of the stadium with the goal of adding some suites along with grandstand refurbishment . The west stands need to be replaced in total. A few years ago during a high school football playoff game I attended, a fan fell through the stands on that side of the stadium. Good thing ( and that is just a figure of speech), he/she was only six or seven rows up and managed to only have minor injuries. Then the next goal would be to refurbish the locker rooms, common areas like concession stands , training and related facilities in and around the stadium.
    LMAO!!! Didn’t that guy break his arm in the fall? Seems I remember that and I believe TAMUK had to compensate him.

    I went to a jr high game in Dickenson a few years back and large parts of the stands were roped off with signs reading condemned. As more and more people piled into the stands they started creaking and moaning. Feeling about as stable as the stands I left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techster88 View Post
    LMAO!!! Didn’t that guy break his arm in the fall? Seems I remember that and I believe TAMUK had to compensate him.

    I went to a jr high game in Dickenson a few years back and large parts of the stands were roped off with signs reading condemned. As more and more people piled into the stands they started creaking and moaning. Feeling about as stable as the stands I left.
    I'm sure they made a quick agreement to compensate him. Especially with the number of Sharks.... err Trial Lawyers, who were in attendance that night who saw it first hand.

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