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    Thinking about recent events in the relations of these neighbors, I decided to Google Map the distance between Bridgeport WV and Lock Haven PA and I swear this is true. Using several addresses and names the results stayed the same NO ROUTE FOUND !!! Although CALU had no part in the availability of DANNY SANCOMB, given the upcoming departure of SHEPHERD, it may be that some in the MEC home office (why Bridgeport?) are feeling more than a little stressed toward their big brother to the north. I don't know what they can do about their apparent vulnerability but the longer the bullying goes on the more likely it seems that the MEC will not survive. It must get pretty awkward at regional events.

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    I don't know. Outside of us dopes on here I doubt many even know what teams and leagues make up SR1 or the Atlantic Region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    I don't know. Outside of us dopes on here I doubt many even know what teams and leagues make up SR1 or the Atlantic Region.
    The WJU administration is taking a big-time beating. Dr. Townsley is feeling it for making this decision especially from the CARDINAL ATHLETIC CLUB and former players and coaches. Although the question is moot, #StandWithDanny is helping a lot of people vent. By association the MEC is drawn into the debacle even though a lot of the original schools didn't want WJU to begin with. On the plus side they did hire a WBB coach MIKE LLANAS formerly of OWENS COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

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    I do not foresee the MEC being in any type of trouble. There are several schools in the area that make sense. I have seen online that Frostburg (D3) is looking at bumping up to D2 and joining. Would also expect them try to dip into the GMAC and pluck former WVIAC members, as the MEC is much more stable than the GMAC. Plus, WV schools like Alderson Broaddus, Davis & Elkins, and Ohio Valley would probably fit better geographically in the MEC than the GMAC. I think that the MEC is a very healthy league and will not have any issues finding new members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSAC76 View Post
    I think that the MEC is a very healthy league and will not have any issues finding new members.
    You and bc makes two who believe that.

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    They need to keep their members happy. I don't think there are enough potential members adjacent to or within the conference footprint to replace future defectors. That's the current challenge of the GLIAC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSAC76 View Post
    I do not foresee the MEC being in any type of trouble. There are several schools in the area that make sense. I have seen online that Frostburg (D3) is looking at bumping up to D2 and joining. Would also expect them try to dip into the GMAC and pluck former WVIAC members, as the MEC is much more stable than the GMAC. Plus, WV schools like Alderson Broaddus, Davis & Elkins, and Ohio Valley would probably fit better geographically in the MEC than the GMAC. I think that the MEC is a very healthy league and will not have any issues finding new members.
    Adding two schools back who don't play football .... the irony is fantastic. Reference what broke up the WVIAC to begin with ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSAC76 View Post
    I do not foresee the MEC being in any type of trouble. There are several schools in the area that make sense. I have seen online that Frostburg (D3) is looking at bumping up to D2 and joining. Would also expect them try to dip into the GMAC and pluck former WVIAC members, as the MEC is much more stable than the GMAC. Plus, WV schools like Alderson Broaddus, Davis & Elkins, and Ohio Valley would probably fit better geographically in the MEC than the GMAC. I think that the MEC is a very healthy league and will not have any issues finding new members.
    Those two are not going to happen for so many reasons...Not the least of it being, what advantage would the MEC derive from taking these perennial back markers? They are both in the conference that they belong in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CALUPA69 View Post
    Thinking about recent events in the relations of these neighbors, I decided to Google Map the distance between Bridgeport WV and Lock Haven PA and I swear this is true. Using several addresses and names the results stayed the same NO ROUTE FOUND !!! Although CALU had no part in the availability of DANNY SANCOMB, given the upcoming departure of SHEPHERD, it may be that some in the MEC home office (why Bridgeport?) are feeling more than a little stressed toward their big brother to the north. I don't know what they can do about their apparent vulnerability but the longer the bullying goes on the more likely it seems that the MEC will not survive. It must get pretty awkward at regional events.
    I've actually been to Bridgeport, WV.....but it was in 1977. I had friends whose dad was originally from there and he moved his family from Norristown back to West Virginia when it wasn't a bad idea. Now...that would be a terrible move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    They need to keep their members happy. I don't think there are enough potential members adjacent to or within the conference footprint to replace future defectors. That's the current challenge of the GLIAC.
    Do you have any information on this or is it just idle speculation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPNation View Post
    I've actually been to Bridgeport, WV.....but it was in 1977. I had friends whose dad was originally from there and he moved his family from Norristown back to West Virginia when it wasn't a bad idea. Now...that would be a terrible move.
    VULCAN WBB fans love the town of BRIDGEPORT WV... home of #21....MIKI GLENN !!!!!!!

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    What in the world is taking WJ so long to hire a coach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    Do you have any information on this or is it just idle speculation?
    Speaking hypothetically. I'm not saying anyone would, but if someone did...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    What in the world is taking WJ so long to hire a coach?
    If you were a coach of some repute would you be rushing to take this job ? Players are bailing, CARDINAL fans will hate your guts and can you trust the WJU administration or anything they say .

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSAC76 View Post
    I do not foresee the MEC being in any type of trouble. There are several schools in the area that make sense. I have seen online that Frostburg (D3) is looking at bumping up to D2 and joining. Would also expect them try to dip into the GMAC and pluck former WVIAC members, as the MEC is much more stable than the GMAC. Plus, WV schools like Alderson Broaddus, Davis & Elkins, and Ohio Valley would probably fit better geographically in the MEC than the GMAC. I think that the MEC is a very healthy league and will not have any issues finding new members.
    I don't know that I'd agree about the GMAC being as unstable as you appear to be implying (and if I'm misinterpreting what you're saying in that regard, please feel free to correct me). The addition of former GLIAC schools from Ohio (most notably a pair of strong GLIAC programs in Findlay and Tiffin, who were consistently in the top four of the GLIAC's all-sports trophy competition in their final years before leaving for the GMAC), plus Hillsdale may have done more to stabilize the GMAC than you think. Remember, when most of these ex-GLIAC schools transitioned into D2 (Lake Erie from D3; Walsh, Malone, Ohio Dominican from the NAIA), the GMAC didn't exist back then and the GLIAC was, at the time, the best fit for those schools.

    Among the MEC, GMAC and GLIAC, I'd argue the GLIAC is probably the least stable (even with the addition of Davenport and Purdue-Northwest from the NAIA ranks and with Wisconsin-Parkside joining from the GLVC), followed by the MEC, then the GMAC with the addition of new members (though, long-term, it remains to be seen if that would be enough for Trevacca Nazerene or Kentucky Wesleyan to remain in a predominantly Ohio-based league; Nashville to suburban Cleveland or Philippi isn't exactly a short trip for TNU).
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    Quote Originally Posted by CALUPA69 View Post
    Thinking about recent events in the relations of these neighbors, I decided to Google Map the distance between Bridgeport WV and Lock Haven PA and I swear this is true. Using several addresses and names the results stayed the same NO ROUTE FOUND !!! Although CALU had no part in the availability of DANNY SANCOMB, given the upcoming departure of SHEPHERD, it may be that some in the MEC home office (why Bridgeport?) are feeling more than a little stressed toward their big brother to the north. I don't know what they can do about their apparent vulnerability but the longer the bullying goes on the more likely it seems that the MEC will not survive. It must get pretty awkward at regional events.
    The MEC lost UVA-Wise and Shepherd. UVA-Wise had not had a winning record in men's basketball since joining the league. In fact, they were pretty bad in the early stages. I think the MEC may have done a little bit more to strengthen UVA-Wise than did UVA-Wise did to strengthen the league. If you look at the 3 main men sports (football, basketball and baseball), UVA-Wise only had one winning season overall since joining the league and that was in football in 2016.

    Shepherd is a big loss in football and baseball. But they are replaceable in men's basketball for the MEC. And since this is the basketball forum, that is why I bring that up. Shepherd has had some winning seasons in men's basketball. They haven't hurt the MEC. But to be truthful, out of all the old-guard of the WVIAC schools, Shepherd is the only school yet to go to the NCAA in men's basketball since the WVIAC went D2 in 1996. All of the current MEC members that were a part of the WVIAC have been to the NCAA tournament except Shepherd. Concord, Charleston, WV State, Glenville State, WV Wesleyan, Wheeling Jesuit, Fairmont State and West Liberty have all had one or more NCAA tournament bids in men's basketball. Shepherd has yet to achieve that. Alderson Broaddus, Bluefield State and Salem International also have been to the NCAA men's basketball tournament one or more times. Of the old WVIAC guard, Shepherd and Davis & Elkins are the only two schools that have not been to the NCAA men's basketball tournament. Ohio Valley wasn't originally a WVIAC member when the conference went D2.

    Frostburg State has the potential to be very good in football. I live in Maryland and they have done an excellent job in D3 lately.They beat two Top Ten opponents in the playoffs before losing to #2 and perennial power Mount Union. Quite frankly, Mount Union would beat a lot of MEC and PSAC football schools right now. I think you would be quite surprised. Frostburg State is more than ready as a football school to move up. Maryland is a state that has been developing a lot of talent lately in the football ranks. A lot of big time schools flock to Maryland now to recruit football players. With the ability now to offer scholarships, Frostburg State has great potential in the D2 ranks. There is only one other D2 football school in Maryland and that is Bowie State. UMD, Navy, Towson and Morgan State are the only D-I schools with football in the state and Navy really recruits a national student-athlete. Frostburg State will have some nice built-in advantages when going D2.

    I don't think Alderson Broaddus will get an invite to the MEC based solely on the "subtraction by addition" principle. I don't think the G-MAC is offering Notre Dame College. It appears they are waiting on Ashland and Indy. If the MEC though were to invite AB and we accept, then I think the G-MAC would need to add another football school and would offer Notre Dame at that point. So all that would happen with the MEC is that they gain one/lose one. Doesn't help. But AB has been 33-8 against Shepherd in men's basketball since 1993. They also have 9 NCAA tournaments and 2 regional finals in that time. That trumps Shepherd's basketball which hasn't had a NCAA men's basketball bid. So don't pretend like AB doesn't bring any thing. The MEC has had two separate schools make the NCAA Final game in men's basketball in the league's short existence. People won't like me saying this, but men's basketball is what it is known for. Right now the MEC is good at 11 schools. If Notre Dame gets an invite first to join the G-MAC, then there is no question the MEC will in turn invite AB. I just don't see the G-MAC doing that. There is still 13 days left in the NCAA calendar so things can still happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPNation View Post
    I've actually been to Bridgeport, WV.....but it was in 1977. I had friends whose dad was originally from there and he moved his family from Norristown back to West Virginia when it wasn't a bad idea. Now...that would be a terrible move.
    You may want to do more research on that statement.

    Bridgeport, WV is a pretty good place to live. The average median income currently in Bridgeport is over $80,000 per year. The average median income in Norristown, PA is $43,000. I would select Bridgeport any day of the week. It is modern. It is by an interstate. It has a mall. It is growing economically and the area around it is developing. The Bridgeport schools are well above the national mean and median. Bridgeport HS was rated higher than Norristown HS by US News and World Report. There is a lot of downturn in the southern portion of WV due to the decline and demand in coal. Those pockets are clear. But Bridgeport is a real solid area to live and grow a family in the north central area of the state.

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    I think that the GMAC is less stable than the MEC. The GMAC seems to be more spread out and more of random pieces put together, whereas to me, the MEC is more schools that have regional traditions. I get that there are exceptions, but I would be very surprised if Frostburg and AB aren't jumping at the chance to be in the MEC. If Notre Dame leaves the MEC, which I don't necessarily agree that they would, I do not know what route the MEC would go. But if I am a school in the region, I would much rather be in the MEC than the GMAC.

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    I think that there should be a PSAC/MEC challenge, similar to the ACC/Big Ten Challenge. The top 10 from the PSAC vs the 10 MEC schools. Thoughts on this from anyone?

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    There basically already is although it's not called a Challenge or anything.

    There are again a lot of contests this upcoming season.

    Last year the PSAC had a big advantage in wins. Year before it was the MEC.

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