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    I fail to see how the MEC can somehow take credit for our Wrestling National Championship in a non-MEC sport, but whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stea1th View Post
    I fail to see how the MEC can somehow take credit for our Wrestling National Championship in a non-MEC sport, but whatever.
    They are a member school who's athletic department reaps benefit from being a member.

    So, I have stated that the MEC's athletic success is better than the GMAC's and that, coupled with the shorter driving distance might be enough to saw Ashland were the GMAC has failed. I've been told on this board that that is NOT the case and that the GMAC is every bit as successful as the MEC. For the sake of comparison, what is the GMAC's record of NCAA success since it's inception? I mean, it they are equally as successful as the MEC, it would be worth knowing...RIGHT?? How many National Titles has the GMAC won? How many NC games have they appeared in? How many regional titles?

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    Come on now. A conference doesn't get a title in a sport it doesn't have. That would be like the Summit League taking credit for Denver's men's lacrosse title. Of course, Denver plays lacrosse in the Big East, so that makes it a Big East program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Tough View Post
    Come on now. A conference doesn't get a title in a sport it doesn't have. That would be like the Summit League taking credit for Denver's men's lacrosse title. Of course, Denver plays lacrosse in the Big East, so that makes it a Big East program.
    Exactly...so it would be a Big East title because they were a member of the Big East for wrestling. If they were an independent, it would be a Summit League credit.
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    I would not be surprised if the MEC has approached Ashland regarding membership. I would also not be surprised if Ashland responded "WHO?" .

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    BoatCapt, If you re-read my post, I completely concede that the MEC has had a more successful early go. For some of those years, we only had 6 schools (that no other conference wanted). However, my post was directed toward the present and future. The G-MAC has certainly worked to improve its standing via expansion. This year, the G-MAC had 4 teams in the Directors Cup top 100. The MEC had one. My only point was that the past isn’t necessarily the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBlood View Post
    Boatcapt, your premise is clearly rooted in a belief that the MEC is a competitively superior conference to the G-MAC. Is your belief related to football-only, or is this an all-sports perspective? Does the loss of Shepherd change your view at all? While I admit that there was an undeniable gap years ago (when the G-MAC only had 2-3 football schools), The last 2 years of expansion have certainly changed the G-MAC's standing. Given Findlay's performance in last year's football playoffs (combined with the G-MAC addition of Tiffin and the MEC loss of Shepherd) and the G-MAC's list of schools in this years top-100 of the Directors Cup standings, I could probably make the argument that the G-MAC may have surpassed the MEC both in football and all-sports. I will refrain from going there, as competitiveness is fluid and one year does not make a trend. However, I just don't see the big gap that you keep alluding to.
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    Lordy .... football can't get here fast enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    Exactly...so it would be a Big East title because they were a member of the Big East for wrestling. If they were an independent, it would be a Summit League credit.
    Ummmm ... No. The Summit League would have nothing to do with it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBlood View Post
    BoatCapt, If you re-read my post, I completely concede that the MEC has had a more successful early go. For some of those years, we only had 6 schools (that no other conference wanted). However, my post was directed toward the present and future. The G-MAC has certainly worked to improve its standing via expansion. This year, the G-MAC had 4 teams in the Directors Cup top 100. The MEC had one. My only point was that the past isn’t necessarily the future.
    Yea...I don't take the Directors Cup very seriously. They seem to forget about teams at random intervals...This year they appear to have forgotten about UVA-Wise in the MEC, Cheyney in the PSAC and Cedarville, KWC and Trevecca from the GMAC...And these are the three conferences I checked! I would imagine that there are other schools they forgot about from other conferences as well. Kind of like those preseason DII polls that give a "break down" of teams and include players that graduated the previous year and then expect you to trust that they are DII experts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    Yea...I don't take the Directors Cup very seriously. They seem to forget about teams at random intervals...This year they appear to have forgotten about UVA-Wise in the MEC, Cheyney in the PSAC and Cedarville, KWC and Trevecca from the GMAC...And these are the three conferences I checked! I would imagine that there are other schools they forgot about from other conferences as well. Kind of like those preseason DII polls that give a "break down" of teams and include players that graduated the previous year and then expect you to trust that they are DII experts.
    They don’t forget about schools. You need to perform well at the national level in order to score points. Cedarville had a horrible year at the national level and literally did not score any points this year. We were 60th last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBlood View Post
    They don’t forget about schools. You need to perform well at the national level in order to score points. Cedarville had a horrible year at the national level and literally did not score any points this year. We were 60th last year.
    That could be. But I also have an issue with the point allocation among the various sports. For example, there are 10 teams in the nation that play DII Field Hockey. The winner of Field Hockey gets 100 points in the standings...Just like the #1 Football team. The #5 Field Hockey team gets 25 points...just like the TWELVE #17 rated Football teams!! Don't worry though, Alaska Fairbanks did pick up 112 points for finishing #6 and 12 in Riffle and Skiing (I'm assuming that is snow skiing??)!!
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    Bad timing ... I'd have been a clear cut, blue chip, full ride, D1 bowler.

    Ahead of my time.

    I'm sure, BTW, the bowling studs get all the chicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    Bad timing ... I'd have been a clear cut, blue chip, full ride, D1 bowler.

    Ahead of my time.

    I'm sure, BTW, the bowling studs get all the chicks.
    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You could have gotten your school 100 Directors Cup points! That alone would have been enough to rank your team above 18 SR1 schools!!!!!!!!!

    Bowing atuds don't get the chicks...That is unless you're Ernie McCracken..."Big Ern" gets ALL the ladies!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    Sorry...Been working nights.

    In just five years of existence, MEC institutions have produced:

    Three team NCAA Division II champions
    Seven national finals appearances
    18 national semifinals appearances
    18 Atlantic Region/SR1 titles
    104 NCAA postseason berths
    Every MEC team has been selected at least once to participate in the NCAA playoffs

    This comes out to:

    .6 National Championships per year
    3.6 Regional Titles per year

    According to the GLIAC web site between 2000 and 2018 (18 years) they have achieved:

    24 National Championships
    142 Regional Championships

    That works out to:

    1.3 National Championships per year
    7.8 Regional Titles per year

    Care to post the GMAC's "resume" so we can compare??
    18 years? You do know about half of the current GMAC schools competed in 16 of those 18 years in the GLIAC??

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    In my opinion, the director's cup should only count.

    Football/Volleyball
    Cross Country/Cross Country
    Basketball/Basketball
    Baseball/Softball
    Track&Field/Track&Field

    Something like that. The same T&F team can score director's cup points for both indoor and outdoor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You could have gotten your school 100 Directors Cup points! That alone would have been enough to rank your team above 18 SR1 schools!!!!!!!!!

    Bowing atuds don't get the chicks...That is unless you're Ernie McCracken..."Big Ern" gets ALL the ladies!!!
    Lol

    Don't get Munsoned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    In my opinion, the director's cup should only count.

    Football/Volleyball
    Cross Country/Cross Country
    Basketball/Basketball
    Baseball/Softball
    Track&Field/Track&Field

    Something like that. The same T&F team can score director's cup points for both indoor and outdoor.
    Soccer/soccer ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    Exactly...so it would be a Big East title because they were a member of the Big East for wrestling. If they were an independent, it would be a Summit League credit.
    And, to the original point re: NDC wrestling...

    If I'm not mistaken, NONE of the MEC's members with wrestling programs, including NDC, are affiliated with a conference AND the MEC doesn't sponsor wrestling.
    Cal U (Pa.) Class of 2014

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    Quote Originally Posted by CALUPA69 View Post
    Soccer/soccer ???
    Slippery slope. The someone will ask about tennis. Then someone will ask about x, etc. ;)

    The reason I excluded soccer was because I picked two fall sports, one winter sport, and two spring sports. I could easily be persuaded to remove cross county and replace it with the soccer teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    Slippery slope. The someone will ask about tennis. Then someone will ask about x, etc. ;)

    The reason I excluded soccer was because I picked two fall sports, one winter sport, and two spring sports. I could easily be persuaded to remove cross county and replace it with the soccer teams.
    Thanks
    I'd base it on the number of teams participating nationwide. D2 wrestling (60 schools) and field jockey (30 schools???) should definitely be out of the formulation. Soccer (M-215 schools/ W-267 schools) absolutely should be in.

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