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    I've, pretty much, been against this since D2 implemented it.

    Today, viewing the leaderboard to see how the GSC teams were doing in the golf nationals, I saw how Regionalization looks at the finals of several sports.

    Florida Southern leads at -24 followed by three other Florida teams. In 20th (last) place is Roberts Wesleyan College +69.

    Almost 100 strokes difference. Nasty.

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    Did RWC develope a case of the shanks or something??

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    Its hard to get good at golf when the courses are under 3 feet of snow until mid-April. RWC is north of Buffalo NY, basically on the shores of Lake Ontario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeTAMUC View Post
    Its hard to get good at golf when the courses are under 3 feet of snow until mid-April. RWC is north of Buffalo NY, basically on the shores of Lake Ontario.
    No disrespect to them. Really. It's just obvious that the model leaves some really good teams at home over some that probably shouldn't be there. It happens in football but not on the level it does in some other more seasonal sports. You're exactly right about their access, etc. I realize.

    But, for example, in golf only about half of the 20 teams at the national tournament are ranked in the Top 25.

    http://results.golfstat.com//public/...team&tid=14616

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    I understand the complaint. It's hard not to, when I come as a supporter of a NSIC school, which easily is in the toughest region in volleyball. But the fact is, travel budgets in D2 are not what they are in D1. And there's also not a great way to compare regions to one another because there's so little crossover.

    Part of me wonders if there'd be a way to do another split somewhere, somehow. Another level to where you can more easily weed out the weaker teams before you get to the national tournament and before more of the good teams get eliminated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNALions View Post
    In 20th (last) place is Roberts Wesleyan College +69.
    Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeTAMUC View Post
    Its hard to get good at golf when the courses are under 3 feet of snow until mid-April. RWC is north of Buffalo NY, basically on the shores of Lake Ontario.
    Close ... Roberts Wesleyan is located in Rochester, N.Y., which is about an hour or so east of Buffalo, but you're correct about it being close to Lake Ontario. But, still, pretty much all of Upstate New York between Buffalo and Syracuse gets whacked hard in the winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeTAMUC View Post
    Its hard to get good at golf.
    Fixed your post!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanger86 View Post
    I understand the complaint. It's hard not to, when I come as a supporter of a NSIC school, which easily is in the toughest region in volleyball. But the fact is, travel budgets in D2 are not what they are in D1. And there's also not a great way to compare regions to one another because there's so little crossover.

    Part of me wonders if there'd be a way to do another split somewhere, somehow. Another level to where you can more easily weed out the weaker teams before you get to the national tournament and before more of the good teams get eliminated.
    If a school considers itself to be above the hoi polloi of DII...maybe it should consider stepping up to D1 rather than expecting DII to change to meet it's expectations. DII is about regionalization...Don't believe in regionalization, go D1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmrg74 View Post
    Did RWC develope a case of the shanks or something??
    it's called the yips

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    This is an interesting read from last year: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/f...r_20170413.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    If a school considers itself to be above the hoi polloi of DII...maybe it should consider stepping up to D1 rather than expecting DII to change to meet it's expectations. DII is about regionalization...Don't believe in regionalization, go D1.
    Don't forget "get off my lawn!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctrabs74 View Post
    Close ... Roberts Wesleyan is located in Rochester, N.Y., which is about an hour or so east of Buffalo, but you're correct about it being close to Lake Ontario. But, still, pretty much all of Upstate New York between Buffalo and Syracuse gets whacked hard in the winter.
    I suppose I was a bit imprecise. I should have said "north east of" or "farther north than" Buffalo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeTAMUC View Post
    I suppose I was a bit imprecise. I should have said "north east of" or "farther north than" Buffalo.
    Meh, close enough. That whole corridor from Buffalo to Syracuse might as well be a blur to me anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanger86 View Post
    Don't forget "get off my lawn!"
    Your right...better to have DII change to meet the desires of a few than to have these few actually go to a level that adheres to what they want. Some want to not just tell their neighbors what type of grass to grow on their lawn, but how often to mow it and which fertilizer to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNALions View Post
    No disrespect to them. Really. It's just obvious that the model leaves some really good teams at home over some that probably shouldn't be there. It happens in football but not on the level it does in some other more seasonal sports. You're exactly right about their access, etc. I realize.

    But, for example, in golf only about half of the 20 teams at the national tournament are ranked in the Top 25.

    http://results.golfstat.com//public/...team&tid=14616
    You also can't abandon half the country in some of the sports, though. If you leave the regional model, then baseball, softball, golf, swimming/diving would abandon half the nation. Lacrosse would be essentially in only one or two regions. About the only sports that would actually be played nationally would be football, volleyball and basketball because there aren't specific pockets of the country that are more proficient than others.

    But then you would also not see things like Augustana just winning the Division II baseball title. They would have never been in the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KleShreen View Post
    You also can't abandon half the country in some of the sports, though. If you leave the regional model, then baseball, softball, golf, swimming/diving would abandon half the nation. Lacrosse would be essentially in only one or two regions. About the only sports that would actually be played nationally would be football, volleyball and basketball because there aren't specific pockets of the country that are more proficient than others.

    But then you would also not see things like Augustana just winning the Division II baseball title. They would have never been in the field.
    Surprisingly, baseball and softball have adjusted to the weather differential. Looking at the history of these two sports you'll see a number of coldweather schools including WEST CHESTER UNIVERSITY in baseball twice in the last ten years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CALUPA69 View Post
    Surprisingly, baseball and softball have adjusted to the weather differential. Looking at the history of these two sports you'll see a number of coldweather schools including WEST CHESTER UNIVERSITY in baseball twice in the last ten years.
    Southern PA "cold weather" is a bit different than MN/SD cold weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KleShreen View Post
    You also can't abandon half the country in some of the sports, though. If you leave the regional model, then baseball, softball, golf, swimming/diving would abandon half the nation. Lacrosse would be essentially in only one or two regions. About the only sports that would actually be played nationally would be football, volleyball and basketball because there aren't specific pockets of the country that are more proficient than others.

    But then you would also not see things like Augustana just winning the Division II baseball title. They would have never been in the field.
    It seems to work out fine in all other NCAA classifications. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge, D2 is the only classification that has this type of regionalization model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanger86 View Post
    Southern PA "cold weather" is a bit different than MN/SD cold weather.
    It didn't feel that way this year!!!!

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