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    Well, who do you think could give a run for the title this year outside of FH, and NW?
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    If we told you, it wouldn’t be a surprise
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    Quote Originally Posted by UCObluejay View Post
    Well, who do you think could give a run for the title this year outside of FH, and NW?
    I wouldn't count out Central Missouri...
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    Quote Originally Posted by UCObluejay View Post
    Well, who do you think could give a run for the title this year outside of FH, and NW?
    Central and Pitt. I don't think FH wins the conference.

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    The homer in me hopes the Pitt from the last half of the season shows up and we have a chance to win the conference and make the playoffs. My gut tells me that it will be NW's to lose and that FH will not have the year that they had last year and finish somewhere around 4th. Central could finally live up to the potential and win it this year.

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    If NW doesn't get away from their 2 play playbook then we ain't winning jack diddly squat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenwoodBearcat View Post
    If NW doesn't get away from their 2 play playbook then we ain't winning jack diddly squat.

    Don’t forget ... the wideouts have to learn to run routes and catch as well.


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    Central has always had a ton of potential. The problem they have is carrying it over to each and every Saturday. On paper this year I think they are the team to beat. Paper doesn't play on Saturdays.

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    I just hope the Hornets are picked 7th in the preseason. They seem to have good years when that happens.

    Actually they are probably two plays away from going 8-3 last year and return their starting QB, RB, TE/HB, 2 WR, and 2 OL. Defensively they have 3 DL, 2 LB, a CB and a Safety back that started the win over Washburn in the last game of the year.
    Marstall started a playoff win at QB in 2016 - is there any other QB coming back in the league that has a playoff win as a starter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lleachieshusband View Post
    Don’t forget ... the wideouts have to learn to run routes and catch as well.


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    If that doesn't happen, then NW will be 1-dimensional as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorillahawk View Post
    The homer in me hopes the Pitt from the last half of the season shows up and we have a chance to win the conference and make the playoffs. My gut tells me that it will be NW's to lose and that FH will not have the year that they had last year and finish somewhere around 4th. Central could finally live up to the potential and win it this year.
    NW will have a rookie QB and not much game experience at key positions next year (QB/DL/Secondary). Based on history, I can see why they are in the conversation. Based on reality, I'm approaching this season as wait-and-see. Too many question marks and an offensive philosophy that needs dramatic improvement.

    Defensively, I like what we have returning but we need transfers and young players to develop along the interior of the DL. We do have a very good DE, all LBs returning and a potential lock down corner in Lane so the cupboard isn't bare on that side.

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    A comparison of FHSU to NW Mo returning roster and production

    FHSU has 36 upper classmen on the roster for 8th year head coach
    NW Mo has 38 upper classmen on the roster for 2nd year head coach
    (both teams equal here, both have established rosters and coaches that know their system)

    FHSU returns 42% rushing yards, 99% passing yards, 38% receiving yards
    NW Mo returns 50% rushing yards, 1% passing yards, 48% receiving yards
    (fairly equal except FHSU returns their starting QB, and backup that also started multiple games last year; FHSU losses it's top RB and WR from last year which is going to hurt, not sure with NW how the running game will transpire *Jordan Thompson?* and they have a quality transfer coming in)

    FHSU returns 83% of tackles, 67% of sacks, 100% of INTs
    NW Mo returns 63% of tackles, 59% of sacks, 77% of INTs
    (defense is where FHSU *should* separates itself, they return the top 8 tacklers on the team and all the secondary)

    FHSU returns 100% punt, 0% FGs, 92% return yards
    NW Mo returns 100% punt, 100% FG, 67% return yards
    (fairly equal, FHSU has to find a FG kicker but NW Mo might need to as well)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EveryCatAWildman View Post
    A comparison of FHSU to NW Mo returning roster and production

    FHSU has 36 upper classmen on the roster for 8th year head coach
    NW Mo has 38 upper classmen on the roster for 2nd year head coach
    (both teams equal here, both have established rosters and coaches that know their system)

    FHSU returns 42% rushing yards, 99% passing yards, 38% receiving yards
    NW Mo returns 50% rushing yards, 1% passing yards, 48% receiving yards
    (fairly equal except FHSU returns their starting QB, and backup that also started multiple games last year; FHSU losses it's top RB and WR from last year which is going to hurt, not sure with NW how the running game will transpire *Jordan Thompson?* and they have a quality transfer coming in)

    FHSU returns 83% of tackles, 67% of sacks, 100% of INTs
    NW Mo returns 63% of tackles, 59% of sacks, 77% of INTs
    (defense is where FHSU *should* separates itself, they return the top 8 tacklers on the team and all the secondary)

    FHSU returns 100% punt, 0% FGs, 92% return yards
    NW Mo returns 100% punt, 100% FG, 67% return yards
    (fairly equal, FHSU has to find a FG kicker but NW Mo might need to as well)
    FHSU is going to continue to be a good program, no doubt.

    NW's defense statistically was a much better defense than FHSU. For instance 59% of the sacks for NW would be 24 total sacks and for FHSU 67% would be 15 total. NW was statistically better in scoring D, total D, Sacks, INTs, yards allowed, opponent 1st downs, TDs allowed, and didn't allow one rushing TD the entire year.

    I agree defense is where the separation is and has been for years. For all of NW's problems last year (and there were many) it wasn't on D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EveryCatAWildman View Post
    A comparison of FHSU to NW Mo returning roster and production

    FHSU has 36 upper classmen on the roster for 8th year head coach
    NW Mo has 38 upper classmen on the roster for 2nd year head coach
    (both teams equal here, both have established rosters and coaches that know their system)

    FHSU returns 42% rushing yards, 99% passing yards, 38% receiving yards
    NW Mo returns 50% rushing yards, 1% passing yards, 48% receiving yards
    (fairly equal except FHSU returns their starting QB, and backup that also started multiple games last year; FHSU losses it's top RB and WR from last year which is going to hurt, not sure with NW how the running game will transpire *Jordan Thompson?* and they have a quality transfer coming in)

    FHSU returns 83% of tackles, 67% of sacks, 100% of INTs
    NW Mo returns 63% of tackles, 59% of sacks, 77% of INTs
    (defense is where FHSU *should* separates itself, they return the top 8 tacklers on the team and all the secondary)

    FHSU returns 100% punt, 0% FGs, 92% return yards
    NW Mo returns 100% punt, 100% FG, 67% return yards
    (fairly equal, FHSU has to find a FG kicker but NW Mo might need to as well)
    To tack on to what catz54 wrote, FHSU losing Shepherd is gonna be a larger hole to fill than anyone NW lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Carlson View Post
    To tack on to what catz54 wrote, FHSU losing Shepherd is gonna be a larger hole to fill than anyone NW lost.
    I'm not so sure; they don't need to have an NFL quality replacement, they just need to find an above average D2 defensive end to compete in the MIAA. Just because FHSU has to use a player a step back from Nathan Shepherd doesn't mean they don't have somebody a step ahead of the rest of D2 quality d-lineman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EveryCatAWildman View Post
    I'm not so sure; they don't need to have an NFL quality replacement, they just need to find an above average D2 defensive end to compete in the MIAA. Just because FHSU has to use a player a step back from Nathan Shepherd doesn't mean they don't have somebody a step ahead of the rest of D2 quality d-lineman.
    While I get where you are coming from and don’t really disagree, If must say that it were as easy as that, everyone would be doing it. There has been one recent MIAA program where quality DL players have seem to have grown on trees (Pitt used to and then WU), and that has been the case pretty much the whole time Wright has been in charge of it. Perhaps FHSU can start doing the same and join the Bearcats. Replacing Shepherd’s senior year production (or being above average) will be a big step towards it. If someone else can carry the torch after SDJ and Shepherd, then the Tigers will be much closer to NW than any other team during Wright’s time at NW.

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    From what I have heard, is that NW has brought in a very good transfer DT...but will wait to see. NW should be just fine and dandy on D again this year. Wright will make sure of that. On the other side of the ball is where the big question marks will once again happen. We supposedly have a backfield full of talent, but that won't get you to far if the damn receivers cannot run a route to save their, you know what. What we had last year in terms of receivers was a complete embarrassment. Flohr and Osborn should be totally held accountable for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenwoodBearcat View Post
    From what I have heard, is that NW has brought in a very good transfer DT...but will wait to see. NW should be just fine and dandy on D again this year. Wright will make sure of that. On the other side of the ball is where the big question marks will once again happen. We supposedly have a backfield full of talent, but that won't get you to far if the damn receivers cannot run a route to save their, you know what. What we had last year in terms of receivers was a complete embarrassment. Flohr and Osborn should be totally held accountable for that.
    I have been critical of Bane in the past. I don't think you play up all the "Bane" stuff unless you produce like he is capable of producing. That being said, the kid is super talented and maybe just had a bad year (defined as his output vs. what he is capable of) last year it happens. I hope he comes out his senior year and simply becomes what he is capable of, and we will all be happy. Kid's got massive ability. He needs to once again be the star he is.

    Same goes for Sykes. All the ability in the world. Huge guy with massive potential. It's his last college football season, so let's hope it comes to him. A lot of people brushed off his lack of usage/production on him being new and not knowing the system. Well it's time to figure it out.

    Carmickle and Gould had great tape and I know Carmickle had his shirt pulled. My guess is they have some ability and we will see it this season.

    Tatum is the classic NW possession guy. All around good athlete, great hands, not the biggest guy, but makes those tough catches. He's not a star, but a very important piece. He needs to become the kid that makes the big third down catches.

    Some of those freshman look like they could contribute if need be. Roberts' tape especially looks good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catz54 View Post
    FHSU is going to continue to be a good program, no doubt.

    For instance 59% of the sacks for NW would be 24 total sacks and for FHSU 67% would be 15 total.
    That's why I prefer the percentages over actual numbers, both NW Mo and FHSU produced less sacks in 2017 from what they had in 2016. (NW Mo went from 47 to 41, FHSU went from 33 to 24). Doesn't mean in the least the defenses took a step back. In fact they arguably got better. We don't know year to year how many total sacks, in this case, a team is going to produce. We suspect they will get some, better defenses more than others. So what the percentage tells us is a replacement of in-kind production. For every 3 sacks FHSU would be expected to get in the next season they need to replace 1. Whereas, NW Mo for every 3 sacks expected to get in the next season they need to replace 1.5

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