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    So the right wing lunatic running for Gubner is saying they schools will close in 4 years.

    It must mean he wants to shut them down.

    Go ahead and vote R and then wonder why the state keeps sinking....

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    He's a buffoon. his state Pension deal is way better than the professors, too. THough on the other hand, Cheyney is not fixed, and maybe that's because of the Dems. Hopefuly moderates on both sides prevail

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironmaniup View Post
    He's a buffoon. his state Pension deal is way better than the professors, too. THough on the other hand, Cheyney is not fixed, and maybe that's because of the Dems. Hopefuly moderates on both sides prevail
    Well, we're really getting political now but... Cheyney not being fixed is the result of the entire state legislature which is controlled in both houses by Republicans.

    This nut case Wagner could get the Republican nomination for Governor. The powers that be in the state Republican Party think Wagner has the best chance to beat Wolf. Wagner is a nut case who has stated that global warming is caused by the earth moving closer to the sun and overpopulation of the earth by human beings through "body heat." Will you vote for him? Sure, he wants to cut funding to colleges. He never went to one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iupgroundhog View Post
    Well, we're really getting political now but... Cheyney not being fixed is the result of the entire state legislature which is controlled in both houses by Republicans.

    This nut case Wagner could get the Republican nomination for Governor. The powers that be in the state Republican Party think Wagner has the best chance to beat Wolf. Wagner is a nut case who has stated that global warming is caused by the earth moving closer to the sun and overpopulation of the earth by human beings through "body heat." Will you vote for him? Sure, he wants to cut funding to colleges. He never went to one.
    Cheyney's problems have been ongoing for years, regardless of which party is in charge in Harrisburg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctrabs74 View Post
    Cheyney's problems have been ongoing for years, regardless of which party is in charge in Harrisburg.
    That's true. Cheyney's problems are because of Cheyney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iupgroundhog View Post
    Well, we're really getting political now but... Cheyney not being fixed is the result of the entire state legislature which is controlled in both houses by Republicans.

    This nut case Wagner could get the Republican nomination for Governor. The powers that be in the state Republican Party think Wagner has the best chance to beat Wolf. Wagner is a nut case who has stated that global warming is caused by the earth moving closer to the sun and overpopulation of the earth by human beings through "body heat." Will you vote for him? Sure, he wants to cut funding to colleges. He never went to one.
    Wagner said he "barely" finished high school, and dropped out of a community college.

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    This guy's a clown just like the one in Cranberry but with a bigger platform. He offers no solutions only criticism. Problem is that the right has pushed such a hard narrative against Wolf that just like the presidential election in 2016 they'll vote for someone lacking any substance over their perceived enemy.

    If they at least dissolve PASSHE then tuition increases have to go to the legislature just like hunting license fee increases. A compromise is any increase over inflation or CPI must be approved outside the PASSHE board. Right now they're in a disastrous cycle of kicking hard decisions down the road and just raising prices just like the Turnpike Commission.

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    Ok calm down and step away from the ledge. I do think he is being over the top but this is basically in the "under promise over deliver category". I have read from many of you same posters that some schools need to close with Cheney being the most glaring example.

    Lets face it the state system is too big with lower enrollment and demographics not getting better. Add the fact the state system allowed PSU (and Pitt to a degree) to run a mock with branch campuses. So now you have run away expenses so some schools will be closing.

    So if elected, in 4 years (if elected officials do their job, a few colleges will be closed and hopefully the state related are 100% private by then) when a few more schools close he can claim victory by saying he saved the other 9 or 10 schools from similar fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikefln View Post
    Ok calm down and step away from the ledge. I do think he is being over the top but this is basically in the "under promise over deliver category". I have read from many of you same posters that some schools need to close with Cheney being the most glaring example.

    Lets face it the state system is too big with lower enrollment and demographics not getting better. Add the fact the state system allowed PSU (and Pitt to a degree) to run a mock with branch campuses. So now you have run away expenses so some schools will be closing.

    So if elected, in 4 years (if elected officials do their job, a few colleges will be closed and hopefully the state related are 100% private by then) when a few more schools close he can claim victory by saying he saved the other 9 or 10 schools from similar fate.
    I don't think that's what he's talking about. He's part of a conservative element in York and Lancaster County (some of Berks and Lebanon) that doesn't believe the government should be involved with education. If they had free rein they would eliminate public education as we know it. It's extreme. Luckily, it's unpopular. Infeasible. But that doesn't mean that with a few of the these people in high places they can't further damage public education. I don't think his ideas are related so much to changing demographics but instead it's the idea of separating education and government spending. I doubt he knows what a "demographic" is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikefln View Post
    Ok calm down and step away from the ledge. I do think he is being over the top but this is basically in the "under promise over deliver category". I have read from many of you same posters that some schools need to close with Cheney being the most glaring example.

    Lets face it the state system is too big with lower enrollment and demographics not getting better. Add the fact the state system allowed PSU (and Pitt to a degree) to run a mock with branch campuses. So now you have run away expenses so some schools will be closing.

    So if elected, in 4 years (if elected officials do their job, a few colleges will be closed and hopefully the state related are 100% private by then) when a few more schools close he can claim victory by saying he saved the other 9 or 10 schools from similar fate.
    Quote Originally Posted by iupgroundhog View Post
    I don't think that's what he's talking about. He's part of a conservative element in York and Lancaster County (some of Berks and Lebanon) that doesn't believe the government should be involved with education. If they had free rein they would eliminate public education as we know it. It's extreme. Luckily, it's unpopular. Infeasible. But that doesn't mean that with a few of the these people in high places they can't further damage public education. I don't think his ideas are related so much to changing demographics but instead it's the idea of separating education and government spending. I doubt he knows what a "demographic" is.
    What the groundhog said. I'm not sure Cheyney should be closed but I'm also unsure it can be saved. Geographically speaking its the only school that doesn't serve a geographical area. Its niche is doubly fulfilled through Lincoln. If you close Mansfield, that's a huge corner of PA that doesn't have access to an affordable 4-year college education. Same goes for Lock Haven. Or Clarion. Or Edinboro. There are 121 state parks and 20 state forests in Pennsylvania. Why aren't we closing any of those? They're obviously revenue losers.

    The "my taxes shouldn't be funding other people's kids' educations" crowd is frustrating. My kids don't use the state hospitals or the state prisons so why should my taxes go for them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart View Post
    Wagner said he "barely" finished high school, and dropped out of a community college.

    Which means Rural PA will vote for him in droves....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    This guy's a clown just like the one in Cranberry but with a bigger platform. He offers no solutions only criticism. Problem is that the right has pushed such a hard narrative against Wolf that just like the presidential election in 2016 they'll vote for someone lacking any substance over their perceived enemy.

    If they at least dissolve PASSHE then tuition increases have to go to the legislature just like hunting license fee increases. A compromise is any increase over inflation or CPI must be approved outside the PASSHE board. Right now they're in a disastrous cycle of kicking hard decisions down the road and just raising prices just like the Turnpike Commission.

    I’m so glad the people along I-80 still have their free road while it costs me 3 bucks to travel 19 miles on the Turnpike.

    One again Southeastern Pennsylvanians have to pay for Rural PA who pays peanuts for everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iupgroundhog View Post
    I don't think that's what he's talking about. He's part of a conservative element in York and Lancaster County (some of Berks and Lebanon) that doesn't believe the government should be involved with education. If they had free rein they would eliminate public education as we know it. It's extreme. Luckily, it's unpopular. Infeasible. But that doesn't mean that with a few of the these people in high places they can't further damage public education. I don't think his ideas are related so much to changing demographics but instead it's the idea of separating education and government spending. I doubt he knows what a "demographic" is.

    They must think that way due to smelling all that cow dung for too many years......

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    Quote Originally Posted by iupgroundhog View Post
    I don't think that's what he's talking about. He's part of a conservative element in York and Lancaster County (some of Berks and Lebanon) that doesn't believe the government should be involved with education. If they had free rein they would eliminate public education as we know it. It's extreme. Luckily, it's unpopular. Infeasible. But that doesn't mean that with a few of the these people in high places they can't further damage public education. I don't think his ideas are related so much to changing demographics but instead it's the idea of separating education and government spending. I doubt he knows what a "demographic" is.
    I am going to take your word for that element you speak of, I am not from that area so I don't know. With that said the bold part is the key. They know they can't just kill off all the State schools as there would be too much push back. What they can make an argument for and is the closure of some and hopefully then ending relationship of the state-related schools and I as a tax payer am fine with that. I have said for years the PASSHE 2 biggest enemies is a) its pension and b) all the branch campuses that PSU and to a lesser extent Pitt have.

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    Too much supply. Too little demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    What the groundhog said. I'm not sure Cheyney should be closed but I'm also unsure it can be saved. Geographically speaking its the only school that doesn't serve a geographical area. Its niche is doubly fulfilled through Lincoln. If you close Mansfield, that's a huge corner of PA that doesn't have access to an affordable 4-year college education. Same goes for Lock Haven. Or Clarion. Or Edinboro. There are 121 state parks and 20 state forests in Pennsylvania. Why aren't we closing any of those? They're obviously revenue losers.

    The "my taxes shouldn't be funding other people's kids' educations" crowd is frustrating. My kids don't use the state hospitals or the state prisons so why should my taxes go for them?
    Cheyney should be closed there are other options like you mentioned, the only reason why it lasted this long was politicians throwing money at it. As for the other schools you mentioned, that was the original idea behind the state system, was everything to be reasonably close to "home" in an era when most homes did not have vehicles and most people traveled long distances by train. That is not the case anymore, so there is now an over saturation of schools. Again the Demographics of PA and our neighboring states are not in favor to support these regional colleges/universities. Add the fact that the pension is way underfunded and hard decisions need made. I wish it was not this way, I wish there were more students enrolling than there are, but that is not the reality of the situation.

    I did not reasearch the state parks/forrest and their financial statements to comment on those,but your argument of state prisons is wrong. We as tax payers do use them to keep criminals separate from the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPNation View Post
    Which means Rural PA will vote for him in droves....
    LOL.... cuz having uneducated leaders, who are "just like us" is reallyyyyyyy working out well for us. Ain't that right, Donald?

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    It's true. Boss Hogg just tweeted about it. Bo and Luke Duke will lead the charge for all us hillbillies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    It's true. Boss Hogg just tweeted about it. Bo and Luke Duke will lead the charge for all us hillbillies.
    Of course without them, Philly would be Dark and Cold and Starving. Better not to insult us rural folk.

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