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    Default Benedictine to GLVC

    Looks like we may be back to 16 soon of the committee approves. And with an IL school at that. Will make a great replacement to UWP as Lewis's travel partner, being in Chicagoland.

    http://www.d3sports.com/notables/201...-looking-to-d2

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    Adding more clown schools. Couldn’t recruit tusculum or Lincoln Memorial?

    Benedictine will pack them in the new 65 million dolla arena. Highlighters gonna sell out on west side everybody be busy circling this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnautza View Post
    Looks like we may be back to 16 soon of the committee approves. And with an IL school at that. Will make a great replacement to UWP as Lewis's travel partner, being in Chicagoland.

    http://www.d3sports.com/notables/201...-looking-to-d2
    UWP drops the league to 14. Benedictine would be 15 again. Who do you think would be 16?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSU_Mike59 View Post
    UWP drops the league to 14. Benedictine would be 15 again. Who do you think would be 16?
    Rest assured it will be another low budget new to D2 newbie. Linden wood Belleville

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Silky Panties View Post
    Adding more clown schools. Couldn’t recruit tusculum or Lincoln Memorial?
    Tusculum is 806 miles from Kansas City. Heck, it's even an 8.5 hour drive from all the St. Louis-area schools.
    Lincoln Memorial is one less hour (7.5) from all the STL-area schools.

    No way either of those schools should even WANT to come to the GLVC, let alone be able to get enough votes from league members.

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    USI has a small window to exit out of what is becoming a garbage league. Please tell me the funds being invested in this new stadium is because we are in fact going D I?

    Quote Originally Posted by schnautza View Post
    Looks like we may be back to 16 soon of the committee approves. And with an IL school at that. Will make a great replacement to UWP as Lewis's travel partner, being in Chicagoland.

    http://www.d3sports.com/notables/201...-looking-to-d2

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSU_Mike59 View Post
    Tusculum is 806 miles from Kansas City. Heck, it's even an 8.5 hour drive from all the St. Louis-area schools.
    Lincoln Memorial is one less hour (7.5) from all the STL-area schools.

    No way either of those schools should even WANT to come to the GLVC, let alone be able to get enough votes from league members.
    They have as long drives now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkingbroker View Post
    USI has a small window to exit out of what is becoming a garbage league. Please tell me the funds being invested in this new stadium is because we are in fact going D I?
    No telling how successful they'll be in D2, but Benedictine played in the D3 National Championship game 2 years ago. Not sure your current coach could get to a National Championship game at any level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSU_Mike59 View Post
    UWP drops the league to 14. Benedictine would be 15 again. Who do you think would be 16?
    Southwest Baptist, Lindenwood, and Missouri Southern all want out of the MIAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Silky Panties View Post
    They have as long drives now.
    Tusculum's current drive times from league schools: 3:02, 1:59, 1:00, 3:22, 4:42, 2:29, 1:28, 1:04, 3:07, 3:20, 4:00
    Lincoln Memorial's current drive times from league schools: 3:57, 2:55, 1:10, 4:23, 5:38, 3:30, 2:22, 4:03, 4:17, 1:21, 4:55

    Only one out of 22 is over 5 hours, and 14 out of 22 are 3.5 hours or less away. You'd flip that, and worse, by moving to the GLVC.

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    They are 9-7 this year so chances are they are not going to do well.

    Quote Originally Posted by DUPanther View Post
    No telling how successful they'll be in D2, but Benedictine played in the D3 National Championship game 2 years ago. Not sure your current coach could get to a National Championship game at any level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSU_Mike59 View Post
    UWP drops the league to 14. Benedictine would be 15 again. Who do you think would be 16?
    Sorry, I'm fighting a stomach bug today and had a brain lapse. 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkingbroker View Post
    They are 9-7 this year so chances are they are not going to do well.
    You'd have said the same thing about Jewell and Maryville last year. This year they're 15-2 and 13-3.

    Point is, I haven't seen USI dominate the GLVC for a long time. Overall strength of the league isn't USI's problem.

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    It is when you are sinking $60 million dollars into a new arena and attendance across the entire league is not getting or going to get any better. The time has come for USI to make the plunge. Drury is actually another good example. Terrific basketball facility but not many show to games. DJ is right in that adding a Benedictine does nothing but hurt attendance. No one is going to care about coming to see them play regardless of how good we or they are.

    So did a little digging over past several years. The year USI has what was probably the best team in the country with Jamar Smith and Co. we had a respectable 1,780 fans per game. But we also played Northern Kentucky and KWC that year. Fast forward to last year where we 25-5, we averaged 1,466. This year we are at 1,050 so far. Drury is at 1,316.

    Digging in deeper into last year as reference we averaged 2,388 fans at the Bellarmine and Drury home games. That is a sizeable difference and shows the typical fan is interested in the quality of competition. If the new gym is going to seat 4,600+ fans it makes absolutely zero sense to stay in this league.

    Quote Originally Posted by DUPanther View Post
    You'd have said the same thing about Jewell and Maryville last year. This year they're 15-2 and 13-3.

    Point is, I haven't seen USI dominate the GLVC for a long time. Overall strength of the league isn't USI's problem.
    Last edited by bkingbroker; 01-17-2018 at 01:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnautza View Post
    Sorry, I'm fighting a stomach bug today and had a brain lapse. 15.
    You're good! Didn't mean that combatively - just was curious your thoughts on getting back to an even number.

    I think DUPanther's suggestions make the most sense -- especially SBU or LWOOD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkingbroker View Post
    It is when you are sinking $60 million dollars into a new arena and attendance across the entire league is not getting or going to get any better. The time has come for USI to make the plunge. Drury is actually another good example. Terrific basketball facility but not many show to games. DJ is right in that adding a Benedictine does nothing but hurt attendance. No one is going to care about coming to see them play regardless of how good we or they are.

    So did a little digging over past several years. The year USI has what was probably the best team in the country with Jamar Smith and Co. we had a respectable 1,780 fans per game. But we also played Northern Kentucky and KWC that year. Fast forward to last year where we 25-5, we averaged 1,466. This year we are at 1,050 so far. Drury is at 1,316.

    Digging in deeper into last year as reference we averaged 2,388 fans at the Bellarmine and Drury home games. That is a sizeable difference and shows the typical fan is interested in the quality of competition. If the new gym is going to seat 4,600+ fans it makes absolutely zero sense to stay in this league.
    KWC and USI played in front of 7,000 in Roberts Stadium, too. Today they'd have real trouble drawing 2,500. Those days are gone and they ain't coming back.

    Who are you going to get to come into the GLVC that's going to replicate KWC or NKU in their D2 glory days? No one - it's not happening. If USI is a legit national championship contender people will come, like they used to. If they aren't, they won't. It's simple as that. Doesn't matter what league you're in. Your fan interest is down a lot more because Watson has driven off a portion of them, not because no one is interested in seeing USI play Maryville. Drury's attendance has been down this year because we played 1 more NAIA than usual and a good portion of our home schedule so far has been during Thanksgiving and Christmas break when there are no students. We were 12th in the country in D2 attendance last year...to say that "not many show" isn't a true statement.

    I'll agree with you, it makes zero sense for USI to have a 4,600 seat arena. The atmosphere will be junk. And that'd be true if you were D1 with Watson at the helm too.

    Personally, I'd love to see both Missouri Southern and SBU come into the league. Both are traditional rivalry games for Drury and both would bring several hundred visiting fans to Springfield for that game. Those would easily be 2,200+ attendance games for us.

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    Yes, I think the better days of D II are long gone. I am a die hard D II guy and would have never thought say 10 years ago I would be advocating for a move to D I. But I think that time has come. Now of course you bring up another point that is important in this decision and that is the leadership. The leadership must change if the University has any hope of being successful in D I. That is a 100% must happen. Benedictine might make sense as a geographical replacement for Parkside. But it doesn't strengthen the league that has already lost way too many good participants.

    Quote Originally Posted by DUPanther View Post
    KWC and USI played in front of 7,000 in Roberts Stadium, too. Today they'd have real trouble drawing 2,500. Those days are gone and they ain't coming back.

    Who are you going to get to come into the GLVC that's going to replicate KWC or NKU in their D2 glory days? No one - it's not happening. If USI is a legit national championship contender people will come, like they used to. If they aren't, they won't. It's simple as that. Doesn't matter what league you're in. Your fan interest is down a lot more because Watson has driven off a portion of them, not because no one is interested in seeing USI play Maryville. Drury's attendance has been down this year because we played 1 more NAIA than usual and a good portion of our home schedule so far has been during Thanksgiving and Christmas break when there are no students. We were 12th in the country in D2 attendance last year...to say that "not many show" isn't a true statement.

    I'll agree with you, it makes zero sense for USI to have a 4,600 seat arena. The atmosphere will be junk. And that'd be true if you were D1 with Watson at the helm too.

    Personally, I'd love to see both Missouri Southern and SBU come into the league. Both are traditional rivalry games for Drury and both would bring several hundred visiting fans to Springfield for that game. Those would easily be 2,200+ attendance games for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkingbroker View Post
    Yes, I think the better days of D II are long gone. I am a die hard D II guy and would have never thought say 10 years ago I would be advocating for a move to D I. But I think that time has come. Now of course you bring up another point that is important in this decision and that is the leadership. The leadership must change if the University has any hope of being successful in D I. That is a 100% must happen. Benedictine might make sense as a geographical replacement for Parkside. But it doesn't strengthen the league that has already lost way too many good participants.
    I'm definitely not a Naumovich guy, and you're right in that the league has taken some teams that end up in the bottom half more often than not. But moving forward today, who would you add? It wasn't the GLVC that jettisoned NKU, SIUE, KWC. Those schools left. St. Joe's closed their doors. Drury and Truman have definitely strengthened the conference. Rockhurst has been to the NCAA tourney a few times since they've been in the league. UIS and S&T have been duds (S&T had some really good teams in the mid 90's, but haven't been really good since). Maryville has had a few decent teams, especially this year. Jewell has been weak until this year.

    When teams like NKU leave you're not going to replace them with someone equivalent - that team in D2, within the geographic footprint of the conference, who isn't already in a decent conference, doesn't exist. The reason the conference has moved westward is because that's where the D2 schools are. There are only 3 D2 schools in all of Kentucky and I think 3 more in Indiana (and 1 of those is Purdue Northwest who just recently went D2). There's about 15 in Missouri alone.

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    a few things:
    (1) Remember that men's basketball is not the primary consideration in determing the league structure. It's what we care about, but just a small fraction of the consideration for AD's.
    (2) Attendance is significantly down (as is overall interest) for D1 as well. Even Kentucky has had a dip in attendance. Regular season games suffer from extreme over exposure, but there is no putting that genie back in the bottle.
    (3) Agree about USI's new arena. There clearly is an intent to go D1. Frankly it makes sense for USI to go D1, much like it did for NKU. With the right coach, USI could probably jump over about 50% of D1 men's basketball teams in a few years.
    (4) I think the real way to fix the problems in D2 is for the NCAA to stop allowing so many schools to go D1 and even think about kicking out a bunch of the current bottom feeders. It would be good for D1 and D2.

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    The powers of be at USI doesn’t have the brain power to be able to make the move to DI.

    Alphabet Bennett has been phoning it in since she took over for Hoops. Rochon only cares about bullying his faculty in to changing grades for “his” students.

    Rochon and Bennett care more about paying off people to leave USI, and sign a non-disclosure agreement on the way out.

    Rochon is the President in waiting at USI and he will drive the university even further intntue ground!


    JMH and Watson? Well we’ve seen what that combination has done for USI basketball.

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