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    Default 2017 All-GAC Awards

    Here are the awards
    write up: http://greatamericanconference.com/n...nd-awards.aspx
    the list: http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.co...FB_ALL_GAC.pdf

    To quote our friend Gorilla Guy, "read them and weep."

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    No surprise with Mookie Douglas winning freshman of the year. I couldn't be more excited about this great running back from the great town of Lawton, OK. He has a bright future ahead, especially with a potentially a whole new look to the program moving forward.

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    Surprised to see Harris wasn't OPOTY (Although Tolliver is a stud). Surprised to see Blankenship wasn't DPOTY.

    Surprised Andrew Black only got honorable mention for HSU. 1200 yards of total offense and 16 TDs can't even get you 2nd team? That's tough.

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    Some quick thoughts on the 2017 All GAC Awards.

    1) Coach of the Year should be about best coaching job, not winning the GAC. I just don’t see how a 1st year HC having to work with a young & inexperienced team, starts 0-3, rips off 8 straight wins & gets a PO berth doesn’t get COY. Gotta be doing something right to make that happen.

    2) I think UAM’s Jalen Tolliver is a sound selection for Offensive POY, though I think there are strong cases for both OUA’s Drew Harris & ATU’s Braden Stringer. I think the Defensive POY, SAU's Davondrick Lison, and Freshman of the Year, ECU's Ontario Douglas, selections were also sound.

    3) Frankly, there are two non-selections I don’t understand: UAM’s QB Cole Sears & ATU’s RB Bryan Allen.
    Cole Sears had 2668 yards passing, 242.5 passing ypg and 29 TDs. The only QB with better stats was SAU’s Barrett Renner. How was Sears left off? Should have at least made Honorable Mention if not 2nd Team.
    Bryan Allen had 814 rushing yards and 8 TDs. OUA’s Kris Oliver had 795 rushing yards and 3 TDs. How does the 8th best rusher in the league make the list but the 7th best does not?

    4) Some of these awards just highlight the problem with allotting slots for individual awards based on how a team finishes in the conference standings—as opposed to looking at individual performances on a case-by-case basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armo Wood View Post
    Some quick thoughts on the 2017 All GAC Awards.

    1) Coach of the Year should be about best coaching job, not winning the GAC. I just don’t see how a 1st year HC having to work with a young & inexperienced team, starts 0-3, rips off 8 straight wins & gets a PO berth doesn’t get COY. Gotta be doing something right to make that happen.

    2) I think UAM’s Jalen Tolliver is a sound selection for Offensive POY, though I think there are strong cases for both OUA’s Drew Harris & ATU’s Braden Stringer. I think the Defensive POY, SAU's Davondrick Lison, and Freshman of the Year, ECU's Ontario Douglas, selections were also sound.

    3) Frankly, there are two non-selections I don’t understand: UAM’s QB Cole Sears & ATU’s RB Bryan Allen.
    Cole Sears had 2668 yards passing, 242.5 passing ypg and 29 TDs. The only QB with better stats was SAU’s Barrett Renner. How was Sears left off? Should have at least made Honorable Mention if not 2nd Team.
    Bryan Allen had 814 rushing yards and 8 TDs. OUA’s Kris Oliver had 795 rushing yards and 3 TDs. How does the 8th best rusher in the league make the list but the 7th best does not?

    4) Some of these awards just highlight the problem with allotting slots for individual awards based on how a team finishes in the conference standings—as opposed to looking at individual performances on a case-by-case basis.

    You are right

    Sears is worthy

    Tollivar will be something special

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armo Wood View Post
    Some quick thoughts on the 2017 All GAC Awards.

    1) Coach of the Year should be about best coaching job, not winning the GAC. I just don’t see how a 1st year HC having to work with a young & inexperienced team, starts 0-3, rips off 8 straight wins & gets a PO berth doesn’t get COY. Gotta be doing something right to make that happen.

    2) I think UAM’s Jalen Tolliver is a sound selection for Offensive POY, though I think there are strong cases for both OUA’s Drew Harris & ATU’s Braden Stringer. I think the Defensive POY, SAU's Davondrick Lison, and Freshman of the Year, ECU's Ontario Douglas, selections were also sound.

    3) Frankly, there are two non-selections I don’t understand: UAM’s QB Cole Sears & ATU’s RB Bryan Allen.
    Cole Sears had 2668 yards passing, 242.5 passing ypg and 29 TDs. The only QB with better stats was SAU’s Barrett Renner. How was Sears left off? Should have at least made Honorable Mention if not 2nd Team.
    Bryan Allen had 814 rushing yards and 8 TDs. OUA’s Kris Oliver had 795 rushing yards and 3 TDs. How does the 8th best rusher in the league make the list but the 7th best does not?

    4) Some of these awards just highlight the problem with allotting slots for individual awards based on how a team finishes in the conference standings—as opposed to looking at individual performances on a case-by-case basis.
    Keep in mind Oliver hurt the first half the year. Played, but was nowhere near 100%.

    Would have liked for Harris to get POY, but I have no problem with Tolliver. Heck of a player.

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    SPECIAL TEAMS GEEK ALERT!

    I know most of you guys don't care too much about Special Teams, but here's something someone needs to explain to me.

    ALL CONFERENCE PUNTERS:

    1st Team: Mikell (HSU)
    2nd Team: Carlos (SEOK) & Watson (Tech)
    HM: Wooley (Ouachita)

    Carlos doesn't rank in the top three in any punting statistic except punts Inside the 20. His average is 6th in the GAC.
    Wooley out ranks Watson in EVERY punting category.

    How does Carlos earn anything as a punter?
    How is Wooley not 2nd team?
    Last edited by PATRIOT; 11-14-2017 at 08:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PATRIOT View Post
    SPECIAL TEAMS GEEK ALERT!

    I know most of you guys don't care too much about Special Teams, but here's something someone needs to explain to me.

    ALL CONFERENCE PUNTERS:

    1st Team: Mikell (HSU)
    2nd Team: Carlos (SEOK) & Watson (Tech)
    HM: Wooley (Ouachita)

    Carlos doesn't rank in the top three in any punting statistic except punts Inside the 20. His average is 6th in the GAC.
    Wooley out ranks Watson in EVERY punting category.

    How is Carlos earn anything as a punter?
    How is Wooley not 2nd team?
    There is a lot of things I don't understand about post season awards, on all levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sozo View Post
    There is a lot of things I don't understand about post season awards, on all levels.
    Yeah man, get in line if you have a complaint with these.

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    ALL PURPOSE Cl G Rush Rcv PR KR Yards Yards/G
    1. Braden Stringer-ATU SR 11 755 39 248 490 1532 139.3
    2. Allie Freeman-OUA SO 11 45 900 84 429 1458 132.5
    3. Drew Harris-OUA JR 11 489 723 6 173 1391 126.5
    4. Horatio Smith-NWOSU JR 11 6 596 0 755 1357 123.4
    5. Ontario Douglas-ECU FR 11 1097 157 0 0 1254 114.0
    6. Isaiah Mallory-OKB JR 9 723 203 0 21 947 105.2
    7. Jalen Tolliver-UAM SR 11 1 1109 0 0 1110 100.9
    8. Michael Nunnery-SAU SR 11 937 124 0 0 1061 96.5
    9. Jared Rayburn-SWOSU JR 10 10 327 0 572 909 90.9
    10. Bryan Allen-ATU JR 11 814 118 0 0 932 84.7

    Congrats to Jalen Toliver but not even close to being OFFENSIVE POY. You can make a case for Stringer and Freeman but Harris by far was the most impressive when adding in his almost 30 TD'S. Plus Toliver was on a sub .500 team, his impact wasn't that great!!! Drew Harris got robbed, plain and simple!!!
    Last edited by Finishempty Fred; 11-15-2017 at 07:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finishempty Fred View Post
    ALL PURPOSE Cl G Rush Rcv PR KR Yards Yards/G
    1. Braden Stringer-ATU SR 11 755 39 248 490 1532 139.3
    2. Allie Freeman-OUA SO 11 45 900 84 429 1458 132.5
    3. Drew Harris-OUA JR 11 489 723 6 173 1391 126.5
    4. Horatio Smith-NWOSU JR 11 6 596 0 755 1357 123.4
    5. Ontario Douglas-ECU FR 11 1097 157 0 0 1254 114.0
    6. Isaiah Mallory-OKB JR 9 723 203 0 21 947 105.2
    7. Jalen Tolliver-UAM SR 11 1 1109 0 0 1110 100.9
    8. Michael Nunnery-SAU SR 11 937 124 0 0 1061 96.5
    9. Jared Rayburn-SWOSU JR 10 10 327 0 572 909 90.9
    10. Bryan Allen-ATU JR 11 814 118 0 0 932 84.7

    Congrats to Jalen Toliver but not even close to being OFFENSIVE POY. You can make a case for Stringer and Freeman but Harris by far was the most impressive when adding in his almost 30 TD'S. Plus Toliver was on a sub .500 team, his impact wasn't that great!!! Drew Harris got robbed, plain and simple!!!
    Return yards are not offensive yards. Tolliver was more difficult to handle, imo, than Harris was. But, that was a one game sample.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divisiontwo View Post
    Return yards are not offensive yards. Tolliver was more difficult to handle, imo, than Harris was. But, that was a one game sample.
    Really D2? You take away Harris's return yards and he still has more total yards than Toliver and don't forget about those 26 or so TD'S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finishempty Fred View Post
    Really D2? You take away Harris's return yards and he still has more total yards than Toliver and don't forget about those 26 or so TD'S.
    I don't necessarily agree with the selection, but I think Tolliver was the best player in the league overall. That shouldn't be the basis of selection, though. I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divisiontwo View Post
    I don't necessarily agree with the selection, but I think Tolliver was the best player in the league overall. That shouldn't be the basis of selection, though. I agree
    He didn't look that special to me in person. But hey, maybe I'm just a little bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armo Wood View Post
    Some quick thoughts on the 2017 All GAC Awards.



    3) Frankly, there are two non-selections I don’t understand: UAM’s QB Cole Sears & ATU’s RB Bryan Allen.
    Cole Sears had 2668 yards passing, 242.5 passing ypg and 29 TDs. The only QB with better stats was SAU’s Barrett Renner. How was Sears left off? Should have at least made Honorable Mention if not 2nd Team.
    I have to agree with you here Armo about Cole Sears. On merit alone he deserves recognition. Probably THE biggest snub. Where would Monticello have been without him? Why is it that every other position other than QB (arguably the most important position on a team) and TE were awarded far more All-Conference selections than you need to field 3 teams? 13 Linebackers for a 3 team selection is ridiculous. I have to admit that I was totally surprised to see Ranger LB Devin Peyton selected for the 2nd team while playing in only 6 of 12 games. While I pull for my team I tell it like it is and cannot understand his choice. How many times have we heard how Football teaches life lessons? This is not the case here. Life isn't always fair and his injury sure wasn't but I can tell you this for sure, if anybody shows up to work only half the time they aren't going to be recognized, in "real life" you see it all over, no excuse absentee policies meaning there is no excuse including injury or illness for not showing up. You won't have a job no matter how productive you have been half the time. All-Conference awards have gotten out of hand as far as the numbers selected. Having close to 40% (95) of starters make All-Conference is approaching handing out Participation Trophies. Some Conferences award even more. The more players you select to these teams the more it becomes questionable as to why some others don't make the grade. I'm a firm believer that each team (1st and 2nd) should select only 1 player for each position. Honorable mention could go to a slightly wider group but not necessarily. Think about it, if you score a 70/100 or top 30% on a test in class ( a C grade) you are considered average. This does not depict true life experience, it's appeasing the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racous Ranger View Post
    I have to agree with you here Armo about Cole Sears. On merit alone he deserves recognition. Probably THE biggest snub. Where would Monticello have been without him? Why is it that every other position other than QB (arguably the most important position on a team) and TE were awarded far more All-Conference selections than you need to field 3 teams? 13 Linebackers for a 3 team selection is ridiculous. I have to admit that I was totally surprised to see Ranger LB Devin Peyton selected for the 2nd team while playing in only 6 of 12 games. While I pull for my team I tell it like it is and cannot understand his choice. How many times have we heard how Football teaches life lessons? This is not the case here. Life isn't always fair and his injury sure wasn't but I can tell you this for sure, if anybody shows up to work only half the time they aren't going to be recognized, in "real life" you see it all over, no excuse absentee policies meaning there is no excuse including injury or illness for not showing up. You won't have a job no matter how productive you have been half the time. All-Conference awards have gotten out of hand as far as the numbers selected. Having close to 40% (95) of starters make All-Conference is approaching handing out Participation Trophies. Some Conferences award even more. The more players you select to these teams the more it becomes questionable as to why some others don't make the grade. I'm a firm believer that each team (1st and 2nd) should select only 1 player for each position. Honorable mention could go to a slightly wider group but not necessarily. Think about it, if you score a 70/100 or top 30% on a test in class ( a C grade) you are considered average. This does not depict true life experience, it's appeasing the masses.
    We too had a few Tigers on the list that left me scratching my head. But glad they made it lol
    Last edited by Finishempty Fred; 11-15-2017 at 09:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finishempty Fred View Post
    He didn't look that special to me in person. But hey, maybe I'm just a little bias.
    He scored 2TDs against us. I'd say he was pretty decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finishempty Fred View Post
    We too had a few Tigers on the list that left me scratching my head. But glad they made it lol
    Just looked at the MIAA "All-Conference" selections and they awarded 160 for 12 teams, 60%!! That's a unreal and makes their selection process a joke. One team had 21 selected, how would you like to be the 1 player not recognized from that team? That has gone far overboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OBUGrad View Post
    He scored 2TDs against us. I'd say he was pretty decent.
    So he scored 7 td's against the top two teams in the league. He was ok.

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