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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Silky Panties View Post
    Given they obviously aren’t improving what if this s hit show repeats itself next year? Do you cut ties and try something new or give another year? If Year 3 only .500 in conference and lag attendance then what?
    He may have been by Davenport side a few years but at some point real results have to be apparent.
    Frankly, people I talked too say that Sloppy was actually more out in town promoting than this guy is/has.
    Or they could give him extensions and raises hoping that after 10 years maybe they can make a postseason run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Silky Panties View Post
    Given they obviously aren’t improving what if this s hit show repeats itself next year? Do you cut ties and try something new or give another year? If Year 3 only .500 in conference and lag attendance then what?
    He may have been by Davenport side a few years but at some point real results have to be apparent.
    Frankly, people I talked too say that Sloppy was actually more out in town promoting than this guy is/has.
    If you become known as the school that only gives a coach 2 or 3 years, who is going to want to coach there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UFOILERFAN View Post
    If you become known as the school that only gives a coach 2 or 3 years, who is going to want to coach there?
    Ask UK and UNC. No reason KWC not top third of gmac by year 3 in mbb all things considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Silky Panties View Post
    Ask UK and UNC. No reason KWC not top third of gmac by year 3 in mbb all things considered.
    That is really raising the bar for an 8 time National Champion. KWC won previous G-MAC championships and Happy's best teams would have mopped the floor with this one. This is not what I expected, but it makes no difference what I think. Supposedly, he was vetted thoroughly and everybody loved his integrity. Hip Hip Hooray! By the middle of next season everyone can make up their mind. I think the last home game attendance was a little over 500. I know that sounds cruel and I understand this coach is doing the best he can, but I just don't see him winning at Wesleyan. His SCHOLAR ATHLETES maybe great students, or not, I don't know. The brass at Wesleyan hates my guts now anyway. I am just an old school fan and alum. I like seeing the Sportscenter full and Wesleyan winning.

    The women's basketball team is having a stellar season. More people should come out and support them.
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    Not sure why you keep bringing up the NAIA. Cooper has never coached in the NAIA, and KWC has no intention of dropping to the NAIA.

    If we have no improvement (or very limited improvement) over the course of 3 seasons then absolutely we should be out shopping. We're not quite through 1 season yet, so all of this talk is premature.

    Todd Lee went 7-19 and 13-14 in his first two seasons. Granted, we were on probation and the program was pretty well decimated when he took over. I'd argue that the state of the program after last year's debacle wasn't much better than what Coach Lee inherited, but that's just an opinion. In year 3, Coach Lee's team went 24-8 and lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament. In fact, the first 4 NCAA games played under Coach Lee were first round losses. Finally, in his 7th season he won 2 NCAA games and ultimately lost to Bellarmine (at Bellarmine) in the regional finals. The NEXT year, Coach Lee decided he would be moving on to GCU before the GLVC tournament started, and mailed it in, losing in round one to Wisconsin Parkside in a game where he stood on the sidelines with his arms crossed the entire game (the first and only time I ever felt he had no interest in what was going on on the court while he was at KWC).

    The year after THAT, enter Happy Osborne. He inherited a program that was moving to a new, underwhelming conference. He inherited an already mostly full roster, though there were a few defections which, combined with a late start on recruiting led to a lack of depth in the first season. He went 22-9 that season with a schedule that was extremely weak in terms of the level of competition. He followed that up with a 22-8 record against equally weak competition. In year 3, however, the team went 27-4, won our first G-MAC title, and earned a bid to the NCAA tournament against the #1 seed Wisc-Parkside (a loss, but a respectable loss). Then, in what would essentially be his final year, Happy led the team to a 28-3 record, a perfect G-MAC season (against a somewhat stronger, but still not very strong league), and an extremely disappointing loss against Quincy in the NCAA tournament. *edit: Disappointing in that we all felt that we were deserving of a higher seed, and that we should have won against Quincy, but came up just short in the end.

    So...the saga of our last 2 coaches. Moral of the story, at least for me, is that it is not unreasonable to expect a couple of years of floundering when there's a regime change. NOR is it unreasonable to expect to start realizing some level of success starting with season 3 of a coach's tenure.

    I was always supportive of the job Happy Osborne was doing up until that final season (which, to be fair, can we blame him for the debacle when he was gone for health reasons?) because each season there was obvious improvement being made on the court. You can say the same about Todd Lee's teams for the most part.

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    Our record should be better. We lost some games we should have won. We are missing two players that we counted on to bring in rebounds and some points.
    I am not happy with our rotation always changing but we have seen that almost every player that gets minutes can help win games. We just need to show some smarts and allow things to jell.

    Enjoy what the WBB team is doing and be proud. Softball/baseball will follow and who knows about football. Most important we are sending many good men and women ready to take on the world.

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    Sorry about that NAIA deal. I have been on a lot of drugs lately. My doctor thinks being 56 and having never married makes me sort of unhealthy. She is probably right or I could have gotten married and she could have killed me in my sleep. So, everything works out in the end. Go Panthers!

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    "Twice in one day Warrensburg’s STD problem has reared it’s ugly head. Oh look, the girly twins are reporting in from the middle school sleepover. Stop touching each other."

    That is a quote from a post on an MIAA thread by a poster named Kiss My Ass, honestly. Here is the link:
    http://www.d2messageboard.com/showth...04#post2351604

    This is just one of those seasons where being upset does no good. I get that. So, I am cool from now on.

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    Wesleyan got a much needed win at Malone against a pretty decent team. Deng Mayot helped this KWC team tonight. Adam Goetz and Tyler Bezold helped carry the Panthers with both scoring in double figures. Goetz is a great player, and Bezold has been a favored player of mine and he showed why tonight. Abu Arisha led the field with ten rebounds. Statistically, this game was not supposed to go to KWC, but they played some good defense and hit the shots they needed. So, good for the Panthers!

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    It's one game. One win. That being said we NEEDED it. And I don't even mean that from a post-season chances perspective, though that's true as well, but we needed it badly for morale and hope for the future.

    We came into this game riding a 5 game losing streak. But every single one of those 5 games, and really you can extend this back to the Ohio Dominican loss as well, were very much winnable games. We were right there in all of them but just couldn't get over the hump and keep the other team from pulling away. The biggest spread in any of those games was 19 against a top 20 Findlay team, and that one felt like a much closer game than the final score indicates. And this one almost went that way, too. We were down 10 with 9.5 minutes to play, but immediately rattled off a 10-0 run to tie it back up, which is something we've not shown the ability to do up until now.

    So it feels really good to see the guys pull this one out. It's only one game, one win...but hopefully it's a sign that we are figuring things out and next year will see some major improvement.

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    It is not an easy gym to win in as the women can point that out tonight. I was a little surprised, but if a team starts playing harder and working harder games like this happen. So, good for KWC. This game maybe the turning point for some more wins this season. Their P.I. is about as bad as it has been in a long time. However, they can move up in the P.I. and should a little bit with this win.

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    If the G MAC does not get better officials for WBB players are going to get hurt. I have seen no call after no call as girls get hammered.

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    Deng Mayot not dressed for the game at Walsh, wearing a sling on his right (I think) arm. Only natural that we'd have another key injury as soon as we win a game.

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    Wasnt pretty, but never mad to see a win. Thankful for Hopewell and the way he hustles. Without him, the game probably ends differently

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    Really nice to see this Saturday's game have some meaning. AB
    AB's wins and loses seem to be determined by their three point shooting freshman. We proved tonight how good we are at defending a three point shooter.

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    At AB in first 10+ minutes and 16 possessions KWC was out scored 38-8 giving up over 2 points per possession and scoring less than 0.5 points per possession committing 4 turnovers and forcing 0.

    Once again yesterday KWC team disappears for 10 minutes. With 13:16 left KWC up 55-42. Over next 14 possessions and 10:16 KWC is outscored 29-6. Again giving up over 2 points per possession and scoring less than 0.5 points per possession committing 4 turnovers and forcing 0.

    Possession break down:
    KWC (Possession) AB
    0- (Made 3) -4
    2- (Made 2) -5
    0- (2 Free Throws) -2
    4- (Turnover) -0
    5- (Miss 3) -0
    2- (Miss 2) -1
    1- (Miss, Miss, made 2) -0
    0- (Miss, Miss, made 3) -1
    0- (Miss then miss) -1

    AB hit 5 3's and 5 2's and 4 FTs in 14 possessions!

    KWC will finish 9-17. About where I thought. Coach has got to recruit better talent for next year for KWC to win more than 12 games (unless he pads schedule with more NAIA teams). We can't keep signing players whose only offers are from D3 and NAIA schools and expect to compete and win! What I don't know is how much of a difference Zavon would have made and will make next year. He appears to be the most talented player on the team.

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    I am not sure what the worst record would be percentage wise for the KWC Basketball team. However, it is highly unlikely they will win either of their last two games. They lost to both Findlay and Hillsdale at the Spoortscenter by 19 and 20 points respectively. So, that means they will probably not win ten games this season. Early on in the season it was apparent that KWC had a need for some dominant bigs, along with a power forward that could also play the five. You can't win in D2 playing small ball. schnautza has KWC rated 222 in the Performance Indicator ratings out of just over 290 teams.

    Everybody at KWC can hate me, but I am just telling it like it is. Something has to be done for next season in order to improve this team for the long run. Letting some players go is a tough thing to do, but this current coach cannot win without strong athletic players. In the past that was a given. Tough, strong, brawling, dunking bigs. That is what we need and a couple of all state guards. You think that is too much to ask? It never was in the past.
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    I think everyone agrees there is room for improvement and some roster moves need to be made. They need a post player. Mo just doesn't seem like he wants to play the 5. Maybe the smith kid comes back next year and can help in that spot. I want to see a different starting 5 next year. I'd like to see Bell, Hopewell, Godwin, Mo/Nick fort, and Smith. I think we have to get away from playing Bezold so much. I like the kid, I really do. I appreciate how tough he plays. But his upside seems much more limited than some of the younger kids. I think this season's experience will be good for the young ones in the future. I really am excited for Cooper to have these boys through a full off-season and see kids like Fort, Cartwright, Tarik, Seaton come back next year and see how much they have developed. One thing I am going to be a big fan of is getting to see kids grow. That opportunity really hasn't been present the last few years outside of a few players, namely Ken-Jah.

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    I honestly think the biggest turning point in the season for us this year (which was a turning point in the wrong direction) was the loss of Zavon Godwin. That kid was just starting to become comfortable with the speed of the college game and with the system Coach Cooper runs, and his kind of athleticism and size were key components that we've been missing ever since.

    Bezold has done everything asked of him all season, but he's just not a power forward. At least not at the D2 level. But all things considered, he's played very well for us especially the last few games.

    And I totally agree that we are sorely lacking in the post. Mo actually has the skillset to be excellent down there, and I feel like he's become more comfortable with it as the season has progressed. I feel like adding Smith will be a massive gain for us, and to be honest if Mo works on post play during the off season he and Smith together could provide a really nice one-two punch down low.

    I actually feel like the bigger issue for us is our lack of strength at the guard positions. That's not to say we don't have good guards, but literally they are not STRONG. If we had a couple of guys that could get to the basket and either finish through contact or at least manage to draw fouls we would be soooo much more dangerous. As it is, our guys can get down there but either can't get the shot up over the defense, or shy away from contact and end up getting blocked or passing it back out. That has hurt us immeasurably this season. If the staff can get Goetz, in particular, in the weight room and get him to work on that aspect of his game during the off season, he could be a dominant force in the conference next year. Could you imagine a Goetz that has the shooting and passing ability that he has now, plus a Ken-Jah like ability to take it to the rim and score or draw the foul? That would be amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdubnation View Post
    I honestly think the biggest turning point in the season for us this year (which was a turning point in the wrong direction) was the loss of Zavon Godwin. That kid was just starting to become comfortable with the speed of the college game and with the system Coach Cooper runs, and his kind of athleticism and size were key components that we've been missing ever since.
    That is a very fair assessment. He does bring a lot to the team. I'd love to see him grab a medical redshirt for this year and have 4 more years to do some big things.

    On another note, we obviously have several young guys that probably didn't get as much playing time as they wanted. I would predominantly point to Fort and Seaton as those guys. Both got minutes and had contributions in those minutes, but they also had stretches were they didnt touch the floor all night. Does anyone think we may lose a couple of guys to transfers? I'm hoping we don't, but I'm not so naive as to think that these boys don't want to see the court every chance they can.

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