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    According to the internet, last year's All-Conference release for the NSIC came out the day after the opening round of the NSIC Tournament.

    With that in mind, does anyone have further thoughts on the following categories:

    Player of the Year:
    Defensive Player of the Year:
    Freshman of the Year:
    Newcomer of the Year:
    Coach of the Year:

    All-NSIC 1st Team (10 players):
    All-NSIC 2nd Team (10 players):

    Just to get things going, I'll throw out my sad attempt at knowing things:

    Player of the Year: Gage Davis - My guess is he wins it due simply to his eye-popping numbers, even if his team doesn't make the Regional this year (short of a strong NSIC Tourney run, obviously).
    Defensive Player of the Year: John Warren - I never pay as close attention to other teams' defenders to really have an informed opinion about this, I just know that if I were a basketball player, I would not want John Warren guarding me for the entirety of a game. I think that would be miserable.
    Freshman of the Year: Harrison Clearly is the obvious choice, but I think in almost any other year, Jai'Vionne Green would be a strong candidate. Then again, we probably could've said the same thing about whoever was 2nd best after Gage Davis last season.
    Newcomer of the Year: Jon Doss at Moorhead? Aarias Austin at Mankato? I can see it being either of them. But I also haven't paid close attention, so maybe I'm overlooking someone obvious.
    Coach of the Year: Chad Walthall - My guess is that it goes to Walthall, even though SMSU fans will lament that the Mustangs were picked to finish 7th and ended up finishing 2nd overall and that's more impressive than Walthall's outright conference title. I don't entirely disagree, but, as these awards have shown over the years, the award almost always goes to the coach who wins the conference outright, other than when Bigler won it a few years ago. But maybe I'll be proven wrong on this one.

    All-NSIC 1st Team (10 players):
    -Jordan Spencer, Augie
    -Gage Davis, St. Cloud
    -Scottie Stone, St. Cloud
    -Tyler Rudolph, Minot
    -Aaron Lien, Moorhead
    -Tanner Kretchman, Moorhead
    -Mack Arvidson, Northern
    -Logan Doyle?, Northern
    -Bryan Jefferson, U-Mary
    -Harrison Cleary, Crookston

    All-NSIC 2nd Team (10 players):
    -Ayob Ayob, Moorhead
    -Mike Busack, Augie
    -Ryan Bruggeman, SMSU
    -Mitch Weg, SMSU
    -Jon Fuqua, Mankato
    -Joey Witthus, Mankato
    -Jai'Vionne Green, Bemidji
    -Drew Geubert, USF
    -Riley Bambenek, WSU
    -Damonta Henry, U-Mary

    About 2/3 of my 1st and 2nd team picks were carefully reasoned out. The rest were mostly me looking at the top names in the scoring, rebounds, and assist columns of the season stats in the NSIC and picking the guys whose names came up most frequently toward the top of those columns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    Newcomer of the Year: Jon Doss at Moorhead? Aarias Austin at Mankato? I can see it being either of them. But I also haven't paid close attention, so maybe I'm overlooking someone obvious.
    Mike Busack. While not a newcomer to the NSIC, he's a newcomer to his team. I believe that's how they interpret it.

    If not, KJ Davis here in Marshall could be another possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    All-NSIC 1st Team (10 players):
    -Jordan Spencer, Augie
    -Gage Davis, St. Cloud
    -Scottie Stone, St. Cloud
    -Tyler Rudolph, Minot
    -Aaron Lien, Moorhead
    -Tanner Kretchman, Moorhead
    -Mack Arvidson, Northern
    -Logan Doyle?, Northern
    -Bryan Jefferson, U-Mary
    -Harrison Cleary, Crookston

    All-NSIC 2nd Team (10 players):
    -Ayob Ayob, Moorhead
    -Mike Busack, Augie
    -Ryan Bruggeman, SMSU
    -Mitch Weg, SMSU
    -Jon Fuqua, Mankato
    -Joey Witthus, Mankato
    -Jai'Vionne Green, Bemidji
    -Drew Geubert, USF
    -Riley Bambenek, WSU
    -Damonta Henry, U-Mary

    About 2/3 of my 1st and 2nd team picks were carefully reasoned out. The rest were mostly me looking at the top names in the scoring, rebounds, and assist columns of the season stats in the NSIC and picking the guys whose names came up most frequently toward the top of those columns.
    Biggest problem I have with this is that the North/South split is 9/1 on the first team and 3/7 on second team. Considering the quality of the two divisions, I think that's more likely to be reversed, or at least closer to 50/50.

    I think Busack and Bruggeman have a strong chance at first team. Some other omissions from these lists include Jordan Hay and Carson Parker from UIU (no Peacocks) and maybe Adam Beyer. I'd probably drop in order from first team: Jefferson, Cleary, Doyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanger86 View Post
    Biggest problem I have with this is that the North/South split is 9/1 on the first team and 3/7 on second team.
    The last time those numbers were so unbalanced, Grant was meeting Lee at Appomattox. And even then it wasn't that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanger86 View Post
    Biggest problem I have with this is that the North/South split is 9/1 on the first team and 3/7 on second team. Considering the quality of the two divisions, I think that's more likely to be reversed, or at least closer to 50/50.

    I think Busack and Bruggeman have a strong chance at first team. Some other omissions from these lists include Jordan Hay and Carson Parker from UIU (no Peacocks) and maybe Adam Beyer. I'd probably drop in order from first team: Jefferson, Cleary, Doyle.
    I 100% didn't consider North/South splits. That's a good point.

    As far as the UIU guys, it certainly wasn't a slight at them, it was mostly the fact that they really have no clear cut, "this player is noticeably better than that player" types of guys on their roster. They are just a bunch of balanced, all-around solid players. I guess the test would be, could you sub out Jordan Hay with just about any other decent, non-All-Conference big man in the NSIC and have the Peacocks still be as good as they are? Personally I'd say probably yes, but maybe others would disagree. Same with Carson Parker. That being said, they're both good and are both capable of putting up 20 on any given night.

    I love Beyer, but figured going for three all-conference guys from Augie would be a stretch for some people. And Adam will go from games where he has 25 points to games where he has 8. Which is fine, but I think if he were putting up 15-18 ppg night in and night out he'd be more of a lock for an all-conference team. It's rare that do-everything guys get substantial recognition unless they do everything at a really high level. He does everything at a solid level, but not an overly noteworthy level.

    I kind of figure if Gage Davis made 1st team as a freshman last year, Cleary probably makes a 1st team selection reasonable. Then again, Davis was also a very strong rebounder as a freshman and Clearly really only has solid scoring stats and that's about it.

    Bruggeman and Busack were both on my maybe-1st team list. Doyle, as the question mark noted, was the one I most considered dropping down to 2nd team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    As far as the UIU guys, it certainly wasn't a slight at them, it was mostly the fact that they really have no clear cut, "this player is noticeably better than that player" types of guys on their roster. They are just a bunch of balanced, all-around solid players. I guess the test would be, could you sub out Jordan Hay with just about any other decent, non-All-Conference big man in the NSIC and have the Peacocks still be as good as they are? Personally I'd say probably yes, but maybe others would disagree. Same with Carson Parker. That being said, they're both good and are both capable of putting up 20 on any given night.
    Understandable, but they went 16-6. They will probably get two of the 20 slots.

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    Doyle is our most important piece and Ian is there with him...I'd have Mack behind them without looking at stats

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    I think Bruggeman will be the only Mustang to get all conference. I think he'll be second team because of all the good guards. He deserves 1st team but will get 2nd team.

    It is unlikely any other Mustang will make 1st or 2nd team.

    KJ Davis has an outside shot at newcomer. Huge addition to the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMustang View Post
    I think Bruggeman will be the only Mustang to get all conference. I think he'll be second team because of all the good guards. He deserves 1st team but will get 2nd team.

    It is unlikely any other Mustang will make 1st or 2nd team.
    Hard to see only one player from a division champ get honored, but maybe that's just my homer side talking. If anyone, I'd peg Bartlett or Kirk as next up for the Mustangs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    According to the internet, last year's All-Conference release for the NSIC came out the day after the opening round of the NSIC Tournament.

    With that in mind, does anyone have further thoughts on the following categories:

    Player of the Year:
    Defensive Player of the Year:
    Freshman of the Year:
    Newcomer of the Year:
    Coach of the Year:

    All-NSIC 1st Team (10 players):
    All-NSIC 2nd Team (10 players):

    Just to get things going, I'll throw out my sad attempt at knowing things:

    Player of the Year: Gage Davis - My guess is he wins it due simply to his eye-popping numbers, even if his team doesn't make the Regional this year (short of a strong NSIC Tourney run, obviously).
    Defensive Player of the Year: John Warren - I never pay as close attention to other teams' defenders to really have an informed opinion about this, I just know that if I were a basketball player, I would not want John Warren guarding me for the entirety of a game. I think that would be miserable.
    Freshman of the Year: Harrison Clearly is the obvious choice, but I think in almost any other year, Jai'Vionne Green would be a strong candidate. Then again, we probably could've said the same thing about whoever was 2nd best after Gage Davis last season.
    Newcomer of the Year: Jon Doss at Moorhead? Aarias Austin at Mankato? I can see it being either of them. But I also haven't paid close attention, so maybe I'm overlooking someone obvious.
    Coach of the Year: Chad Walthall - My guess is that it goes to Walthall, even though SMSU fans will lament that the Mustangs were picked to finish 7th and ended up finishing 2nd overall and that's more impressive than Walthall's outright conference title. I don't entirely disagree, but, as these awards have shown over the years, the award almost always goes to the coach who wins the conference outright, other than when Bigler won it a few years ago. But maybe I'll be proven wrong on this one.

    All-NSIC 1st Team (10 players):
    -Jordan Spencer, Augie
    -Gage Davis, St. Cloud
    -Scottie Stone, St. Cloud
    -Tyler Rudolph, Minot
    -Aaron Lien, Moorhead
    -Tanner Kretchman, Moorhead
    -Mack Arvidson, Northern
    -Logan Doyle?, Northern
    -Bryan Jefferson, U-Mary
    -Harrison Cleary, Crookston

    All-NSIC 2nd Team (10 players):
    -Ayob Ayob, Moorhead
    -Mike Busack, Augie
    -Ryan Bruggeman, SMSU
    -Mitch Weg, SMSU
    -Jon Fuqua, Mankato
    -Joey Witthus, Mankato
    -Jai'Vionne Green, Bemidji
    -Drew Geubert, USF
    -Riley Bambenek, WSU
    -Damonta Henry, U-Mary

    About 2/3 of my 1st and 2nd team picks were carefully reasoned out. The rest were mostly me looking at the top names in the scoring, rebounds, and assist columns of the season stats in the NSIC and picking the guys whose names came up most frequently toward the top of those columns.
    Why would Cleary not be newcomer as well as freshman of the year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DapperDan View Post
    Why would Cleary not be newcomer as well as freshman of the year?
    Newcomer is typically reserved for transfers

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    Newcomer of the Year: Jon Doss at Moorhead? Aarias Austin at Mankato? I can see it being either of them. But I also haven't paid close attention, so maybe I'm overlooking someone obvious.
    Doyle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddwitte View Post
    Doyle?
    No doubt

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddwitte View Post
    Doyle?
    If Busack isn't eligible, Doyle is a high probability

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddwitte View Post
    Doyle?
    Hence my mention that I would probably forget somebody obvious. Yes, I am guessing it goes to Doyle. Although, I would imagine that any other graduate transfer from out of the conference would likely be a Newcomer candidate, so it would seem Busack should be eligible. Unless coming from an in-conference team changes the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    Hence my mention that I would probably forget somebody obvious. Yes, I am guessing it goes to Doyle. Although, I would imagine that any other graduate transfer from out of the conference would likely be a Newcomer candidate, so it would seem Busack should be eligible. Unless coming from an in-conference team changes the rule.
    All good, figured it was just an oversight since you had him on the 1st team right below that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    Just to get things going, I'll throw out my sad attempt at knowing things:

    Player of the Year: Gage Davis - My guess is he wins it due simply to his eye-popping numbers, even if his team doesn't make the Regional this year (short of a strong NSIC Tourney run, obviously). Actual winner: Aaron Lien, Moorhead

    Defensive Player of the Year: John Warren - I never pay as close attention to other teams' defenders to really have an informed opinion about this, I just know that if I were a basketball player, I would not want John Warren guarding me for the entirety of a game. I think that would be miserable. Actual winner: Jordan Hay, UIU

    Freshman of the Year: Harrison Clearly is the obvious choice, but I think in almost any other year, Jai'Vionne Green would be a strong candidate. Then again, we probably could've said the same thing about whoever was 2nd best after Gage Davis last season. Got one right, at least.

    Newcomer of the Year: Jon Doss at Moorhead? Aarias Austin at Mankato? I can see it being either of them. But I also haven't paid close attention, so maybe I'm overlooking someone obvious. Actual winner: Logan Doyle, Northern - in my defense, I agreed with that corrected suggestion when I was made aware of my oversight, I just never jumped in and changed it on here.

    Coach of the Year: Chad Walthall - My guess is that it goes to Walthall, even though SMSU fans will lament that the Mustangs were picked to finish 7th and ended up finishing 2nd overall and that's more impressive than Walthall's outright conference title. I don't entirely disagree, but, as these awards have shown over the years, the award almost always goes to the coach who wins the conference outright, other than when Bigler won it a few years ago. But maybe I'll be proven wrong on this one. Actual winner: Brad Bigler

    Actual 1st Team:
    Jordan Spencer, Augustana
    Bryan Jefferson, U-Mary
    Jon Fuqua, Mankato
    Tanner Kretchman, Moorhead
    Aaron Lien, Moorhead
    Tyler Rudolph, Minot
    Logan Doyle, Northern
    Ryan Bruggeman, SMSU
    Gage Davis, St. Cloud
    Carson Parker, UIU


    My predicted All-NSIC 1st Team:
    -Jordan Spencer, Augie
    -Gage Davis, St. Cloud
    -Scottie Stone, St. Cloud
    -Tyler Rudolph, Minot
    -Aaron Lien, Moorhead
    -Tanner Kretchman, Moorhead
    -Mack Arvidson, Northern
    -Logan Doyle?, Northern
    -Bryan Jefferson, U-Mary
    -Harrison Cleary, Crookston

    Actual 2nd Team:
    -Mike Busack, Augustana
    -Harrison Cleary, Crookston
    -Joey Witthus, Mankato
    -Mack Arvidson, Northern
    -Ian Smith, Northern,
    -Ayob Ayob, Moorhead
    -Scottie Stone, St. Cloud
    -Jordan Hay, UIU
    -Kendall Jacks, Wayne
    -Riley Bambenek, Winona


    My predicted All-NSIC 2nd Team:
    -Ayob Ayob, Moorhead
    -Mike Busack, Augie
    -Ryan Bruggeman, SMSU
    -Mitch Weg, SMSU
    -Jon Fuqua, Mankato
    -Joey Witthus, Mankato
    -Jai'Vionne Green, Bemidji
    -Drew Geubert, USF
    -Riley Bambenek, WSU
    -Damonta Henry, U-Mary
    Shows what I know: http://northernsun.org/news/2017/2/2...223170839.aspx

    Congrats to Wayne for getting a player on the All-Conference team. Have the Wildcats had anyone make that cut since Amry Shelby? Or am I overlooking someone obvious? Either way, I do think Kaminsky is going to get the Wildcats into a much better place over the next few years.

    I was going to Argue about Jordan Hay over John Warren but Hay has surprisingly (to me, at least) well-rounded defensive stats that are better than or comparable to Warren's overall, with substantially better rebounding numbers. I still think I like Warren on the court as a long, defensive guard more than Hay, but the stats don't lie.
    Last edited by MrAugustana; 02-23-2017 at 01:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    Shows what I know: http://northernsun.org/news/2017/2/2...223170839.aspx

    Congrats to Wayne for getting a player on the All-Conference team. Have the Wildcats had anyone make that cut since Amry Shelby? Or am I overlooking someone obvious? Either way, I do think Kaminsky is going to get the Wildcats into a much better place over the next few years.

    I was going to Argue about Jordan Hay over John Warren but Hay has surprisingly (to me, at least) well-rounded defensive stats that are better than or comparable to Warren's overall, with substantially better rebounding numbers. I still think I like Warren on the court as a long, defensive guard more than Hay, but the stats don't lie.
    Good for Kendall. Heck of a player who was sidelined much of his freshman year with injury. Glad to see him get some recognition. Kaminsky seems to be a great gameday coach, hopefully he can recruit as well. And no, there have not been any first or second All-NSIC selections for the Wildcats since Amry Shelby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    Shows what I know: http://northernsun.org/news/2017/2/2...223170839.aspx

    Congrats to Wayne for getting a player on the All-Conference team. Have the Wildcats had anyone make that cut since Amry Shelby? Or am I overlooking someone obvious? Either way, I do think Kaminsky is going to get the Wildcats into a much better place over the next few years.

    I was going to Argue about Jordan Hay over John Warren but Hay has surprisingly (to me, at least) well-rounded defensive stats that are better than or comparable to Warren's overall, with substantially better rebounding numbers. I still think I like Warren on the court as a long, defensive guard more than Hay, but the stats don't lie.
    It is hard to predict these things, that's for sure. I felt Bruggeman was deserving of first team, but am surprised he actually made it. winning teams were rewarded and hard to argue with the selections.

    You are also right regarding Wayne. Deserving choice.

    No arguments with Aaron Lien as POY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMustang View Post
    No arguments with Aaron Lien as POY.
    So what your saying is that the POY goes to the best player on the best team. Okay, then Lien deserved it.

    Gage Davis was the best player in the league this year, He will be the best player in the league next year and he will be the best player in the league 2 years from now.

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