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    NABC Division II Top 25 (1/17)
    1. Northwest Missouri State (12) (16-0)
    2. Fairmont State (4) (15-0)
    3. Queens (NC) (16-0)
    4. West Liberty State (14-1)
    5. California Baptist (15-1)
    6. Wheeling Jesuit (14-1)
    7. Barry (14-1)
    8. Shippensburg (15-0)
    9. Southern Indiana (16-0)
    10. Indiana (PA) (15-2)
    11. Tarleton State (15-2)
    12. West Texas A&M (18-2)
    13. Kutztown (13-2)
    14. Hawaii Pacific (16-1)
    15. Bellarmine (13-3)
    16. Arkansas-Monticello (12-0)
    17. Western Washington (13-3)
    18. UC-San Diego (14-3)
    19. Cal State-Chico (15-2)
    20. San Francisco State (14-2)
    21. Fort Lewis (15-3)
    22. Wisconsin-Parkside (14-1)
    23. Kentucky Wesleyan (14-2)
    24. Delta State (12-3)
    25. Alabama-Huntsville (11-4)

    Others Receiving Votes
    Lincoln Memorial, Minnesota State-Moorhead, Colorado School of Mines, Quincy (IL), Southern New Hampshire, Angelo State, Sonoma State, Central Washington, Eckerd, Saginaw Valley State, Southwest Minnesota State, Texas A&M-Commerce

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    D2SIDA Top 25 (1/17)
    1. Northwest Missouri State (14) (16-0)
    2. Fairmont State (1) (15-0)
    3. California Baptist (15-1)
    4. Queens (NC) (16-0)
    5. Southern Indiana (16-0)
    6. Barry (14-1)
    7. Shippensburg (15-0)
    8t. Tarleton State (15-2)
    8t. West Liberty State (14-1)
    10. West Texas A&M (18-2)
    11. Arkansas-Monticello (12-0)
    12. Wisconsin-Parkside (14-1)
    13. Wheeling Jesuit (14-1)
    14. Cal State-Chico (15-2)
    15. Bellarmine (13-3)
    16. Southern New Hampshire (12-3)
    17. Lincoln Memorial (12-4)
    18. Western Washington (13-3)
    19. Texas A&M-Commerce (12-3)
    20. UC-San Diego (14-3)
    21. Delta State (12-3)
    22. Indiana (PA) (15-2)
    23. Minnesota State-Moorhead (15-3)
    24. Limestone (14-2)
    25. Ferris State (13-3)

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    Hawaii Pacific, Quincy (IL), St. Thomas Aquinas, Eckerd, Southwest Minnesota State, San Francisco State, Augusta State, Colorado School of Mines, North Carolina-Pembroke, Kutztown

    D2SIDA Central Region Rankings (1/17)
    1. Northwest Missouri State (6) (16-0)
    2. Arkansas-Monticello (12-0)
    3. Minnesota State-Moorhead (15-3)
    4. Southwest Minnesota State (14-3)
    5. Augustana (13-5)
    6. Nebraska-Kearney (12-4)
    7. Henderson State (11-3)
    8. Upper Iowa (12-6)
    9. East Central (10-4)
    10. Washburn (12-4)

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    Good grief, when was the last time an NSIC team wasn't ranked? I would be curious as to when that would be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toucanbird View Post
    Good grief, when was the last time an NSIC team wasn't ranked? I would be curious as to when that would be...
    Next week after SCSU knocks off Moorhead on Sat. night. :) I hope. I hope, I hope, I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toucanbird View Post
    Good grief, when was the last time an NSIC team wasn't ranked? I would be curious as to when that would be...
    It's a VERY down year this year leading to the wide open conference race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toucanbird View Post
    Good grief, when was the last time an NSIC team wasn't ranked? I would be curious as to when that would be...
    It would seem that, unless they really slip up or face an injury situation, the Central Region is NWSMU's for the taking. I know Arkansas-Monticello is up there in the ranks and maybe they have the ability to take down the Justin Pittses, but I just don't see it happening this year short of a major catastrophe in Maryville. Too much talent, too much experience, too much desire for revenge after losing in the Regional Championship three years straight now.

    I mentioned it in another thread, but even Augie's run the past two years had a nearly equally-competitive Moorhead team right alongside them the entire way (and past them in 2014-15 when they reached the Elite Eight, even though Augie won both games against them head-to-head very handily) and an occasionally Top 25 Mankato team to deal with, along with decent MIAA teams. If it weren't for Arkansas-Monticello, NWMSU would be coasting along in this region with basically no "Top 25"-level contenders anywhere near them to deal with along the way.

    That being said, even though the NSIC is "down" by most standards this season, I'm hoping our always tough conference schedule is getting at least one or two NSIC teams battle-hardened for a decent fight in the Regional. Would hate to see our NSIC teams go 0-3 or 0-4 in the tourney this year, depending on who does or doesn't make it.

    Of course, unlike laker and others on here, if Augie doesn't make the Regional, I hope every NSIC team gets blown out by 20-30. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    It would seem that, unless they really slip up or face an injury situation, the Central Region is NWSMU's for the taking. I know Arkansas-Monticello is up there in the ranks and maybe they have the ability to take down the Justin Pittses, but I just don't see it happening this year short of a major catastrophe in Maryville. Too much talent, too much experience, too much desire for revenge after losing in the Regional Championship three years straight now.

    I mentioned it in another thread, but even Augie's run the past two years had a nearly equally-competitive Moorhead team right alongside them the entire way (and past them in 2014-15 when they reached the Elite Eight, even though Augie won both games against them head-to-head very handily) and an occasionally Top 25 Mankato team to deal with, along with decent MIAA teams. If it weren't for Arkansas-Monticello, NWMSU would be coasting along in this region with basically no "Top 25"-level contenders anywhere near them to deal with along the way.

    That being said, even though the NSIC is "down" by most standards this season, I'm hoping our always tough conference schedule is getting at least one or two NSIC teams battle-hardened for a decent fight in the Regional. Would hate to see our NSIC teams go 0-3 or 0-4 in the tourney this year, depending on who does or doesn't make it.

    Of course, unlike laker and others on here, if Augie doesn't make the Regional, I hope every NSIC team gets blown out by 20-30.
    :)
    I wouldn't have expected any other type of response from you. :)

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    Only poll that matters is the last set of Regional Rankings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Augieholic View Post
    Only poll that matters is the last set of Regional Rankings.
    +1
    God that hurts. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    It would seem that, unless they really slip up or face an injury situation, the Central Region is NWSMU's for the taking. I know Arkansas-Monticello is up there in the ranks and maybe they have the ability to take down the Justin Pittses, but I just don't see it happening this year short of a major catastrophe in Maryville. Too much talent, too much experience, too much desire for revenge after losing in the Regional Championship three years straight now.

    I mentioned it in another thread, but even Augie's run the past two years had a nearly equally-competitive Moorhead team right alongside them the entire way (and past them in 2014-15 when they reached the Elite Eight, even though Augie won both games against them head-to-head very handily) and an occasionally Top 25 Mankato team to deal with, along with decent MIAA teams. If it weren't for Arkansas-Monticello, NWMSU would be coasting along in this region with basically no "Top 25"-level contenders anywhere near them to deal with along the way.

    That being said, even though the NSIC is "down" by most standards this season, I'm hoping our always tough conference schedule is getting at least one or two NSIC teams battle-hardened for a decent fight in the Regional. Would hate to see our NSIC teams go 0-3 or 0-4 in the tourney this year, depending on who does or doesn't make it.

    Of course, unlike laker and others on here, if Augie doesn't make the Regional, I hope every NSIC team gets blown out by 20-30. :)
    I would love to see Southwest Minnesota play Northwest Missouri in the second round of the regional because that game would be so beautifully ugly and I believe they have the right method with even scoring and getting a big night from someone going off and versatile defense, especially with Bruggeman on Pitts. That said, I would hope Northwest Missouri State would win by 69 points because Southwest is [trash emoji].

    As the season wears on, I see a few NSIC teams capable of making noise in the tournament. Moorhead is good, St. Cloud can score with anyone, Augie is good, Southwest can defend at a high level, and **gulp** USF is playing ridiculous D the past three weeks and have a ton of dudes who can score. If Upper Iowa gets hot, they could run through the NSIC tournament with 15 threes a game, take the 10 days off before the regional and lose by 69 to Northwest.

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    The NSIC is a dumpster fire this year and its been coming down the road for a while. Sure Augie had a great team and no matter what league they were in they would have been a top team. Moorhead shouldn't have made the Elite 8 the year they went that should have been Augie but as they used to do in great fashion they couldn't get the job done. Mankato teams have been ok but not what they were in the past. Everyone else has had some decent teams to bad teams. The conference is not close to what is used to be talent wise and its not that much fun to watch and I am not even going to comment to what is going on in Winona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guest69 View Post
    That said, I would hope Northwest Missouri State would win by 69 points because Southwest is [trash emoji].
    That's not very nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsufamily View Post
    The NSIC is a dumpster fire this year and its been coming down the road for a while. Sure Augie had a great team and no matter what league they were in they would have been a top team. Moorhead shouldn't have made the Elite 8 the year they went that should have been Augie but as they used to do in great fashion they couldn't get the job done. Mankato teams have been ok but not what they were in the past. Everyone else has had some decent teams to bad teams. The conference is not close to what is used to be talent wise and its not that much fun to watch and I am not even going to comment to what is going on in Winona.
    Self-loathing, an attack on teams that earned what they got and wanting more our of a team that won a national champion...looks like our Winona fans of old are coming back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guest69 View Post
    I would love to see Southwest Minnesota play Northwest Missouri in the second round of the regional because that game would be so beautifully ugly and I believe they have the right method with even scoring and getting a big night from someone going off and versatile defense, especially with Bruggeman on Pitts. That said, I would hope Northwest Missouri State would win by 69 points because Southwest is [trash emoji].

    As the season wears on, I see a few NSIC teams capable of making noise in the tournament. Moorhead is good, St. Cloud can score with anyone, Augie is good, Southwest can defend at a high level, and **gulp** USF is playing ridiculous D the past three weeks and have a ton of dudes who can score. If Upper Iowa gets hot, they could run through the NSIC tournament with 15 threes a game, take the 10 days off before the regional and lose by 69 to Northwest.
    I've said this before and I will say it again, Pitts is not having to carry the load like he did the last two years. The key to NW's success is the improvement in the level of play of those who surround Pitts. Take away Pitts (good luck, especially if he is determined to score) then you will pay in other places. Granted, I think the MIAA is down this year especially in terms of marquee players, but NW is making it look ridiculously easy right now. Their defense has been and will always show up every night. It's their diversified offense that had taken them to the next level this year. I hope it continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86Catillac View Post
    I've said this before and I will say it again, Pitts is not having to carry the load like he did the last two years. The key to NW's success is the improvement in the level of play of those who surround Pitts. Take away Pitts (good luck, especially if he is determined to score) then you will pay in other places. Granted, I think the MIAA is down this year especially in terms of marquee players, but NW is making it look ridiculously easy right now. Their defense has been and will always show up every night. It's their diversified offense that had taken them to the next level this year. I hope it continues.
    Northwest's balance this year why I think it would be fascinating to see them play each SMSU. Southwest has a great on-ball defender in Bruggeman, and others do too like Augie with Warren, but Southwest's team defense is good enough to match up and maybe limit the others, which could force Pitts to take the game over. In no way do I think Southwest could win this matchup -- I wholely believe Justin Pitts is the best player in the country -- but I think of all the NSIC teams I've seen this year, SMSU would be the one to give them the toughest test.

    (Me shilling for Southwest has me feeling a bit ill now)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guest69 View Post
    Northwest's balance this year why I think it would be fascinating to see them play each SMSU. Southwest has a great on-ball defender in Bruggeman, and others do too like Augie with Warren, but Southwest's team defense is good enough to match up and maybe limit the others, which could force Pitts to take the game over. In no way do I think Southwest could win this matchup -- I wholely believe Justin Pitts is the best player in the country -- but I think of all the NSIC teams I've seen this year, SMSU would be the one to give them the toughest test.

    (Me shilling for Southwest has me feeling a bit ill now)
    Fair enough. But is this the same team that recently gave up 96 points to a sub .500 team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSU4LIFE View Post
    Self-loathing, an attack on teams that earned what they got and wanting more our of a team that won a national champion...looks like our Winona fans of old are coming back!
    How is that self-loathing? Augie guys are saying they had competioton in conference too when they made the run. I agree they did but it wasn't the same level as in the past. Everyone for the most part is down. Northern hasnt made a run in what 8 years? Duluth used to be at least a .500 team and could play with anyone on a given night. Wayne used to be a ***** to play at down there. Concordia and BSU had teams that could put a scare into you. Now they are all awful. The league is down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofnsic View Post
    How is that self-loathing? Augie guys are saying they had competioton in conference too when they made the run. I agree they did but it wasn't the same level as in the past. Everyone for the most part is down. Northern hasnt made a run in what 8 years? Duluth used to be at least a .500 team and could play with anyone on a given night. Wayne used to be a ***** to play at down there. Concordia and BSU had teams that could put a scare into you. Now they are all awful. The league is down.
    I am of the opinion that the increase in local DI mid-major programs has something to do with the erosion of talent in the NSIC. That is not to say that many of the same relatively good and average players don't show up but there are more opportunities for what used to be the great DII prospects to bite on the ego rush of being a DI recruit. Since the glory days of Winona (not sugarcoating; their problems go much deeper than DI competition) we've seen at least five teams I can think of offhand that were equal footing DII piers having moved up. It may not sound like a lot considering the size of basketball rosters but when there aren't many realistically attainable stars around to begin with its got to have an impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DapperDan View Post
    I am of the opinion that the increase in local DI mid-major programs has something to do with the erosion of talent in the NSIC. That is not to say that many of the same relatively good and average players don't show up but there are more opportunities for what used to be the great DII prospects to bite on the ego rush of being a DI recruit. Since the glory days of Winona (not sugarcoating; their problems go much deeper than DI competition) we've seen at least five teams I can think of offhand that were equal footing DII piers having moved up. It may not sound like a lot considering the size of basketball rosters but when there aren't many realistically attainable stars around to begin with its got to have an impact.
    The erosion of recruitable players goes back to 1985 when AAU basketball started in MN. Up until that time all those mid-tier kids went to the NCC and NCC teams were as strong as any in the country. Once AAU started and MN kids started getting looked at more on a national level, people realized that MN kids could play and they were kids that you could get into school. As those kids started filing off to low level Div I schools, the talent pool available to the Upper Midwest Div II schools started to thin out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DapperDan View Post
    I am of the opinion that the increase in local DI mid-major programs has something to do with the erosion of talent in the NSIC. That is not to say that many of the same relatively good and average players don't show up but there are more opportunities for what used to be the great DII prospects to bite on the ego rush of being a DI recruit. Since the glory days of Winona (not sugarcoating; their problems go much deeper than DI competition) we've seen at least five teams I can think of offhand that were equal footing DII piers having moved up. It may not sound like a lot considering the size of basketball rosters but when there aren't many realistically attainable stars around to begin with its got to have an impact.
    Quote Originally Posted by simple as a $3 bill View Post
    The erosion of recruitable players goes back to 1985 when AAU basketball started in MN. Up until that time all those mid-tier kids went to the NCC and NCC teams were as strong as any in the country. Once AAU started and MN kids started getting looked at more on a national level, people realized that MN kids could play and they were kids that you could get into school. As those kids started filing off to low level Div I schools, the talent pool available to the Upper Midwest Div II schools started to thin out.
    I agree with both of these sentiments, but DapperDan in particular. You see a perfect example of it with Logan Doyle at Northern. I remember when SDSU offered him, there was a bit of...surprise maybe?...online because many people thought he was more of a D2 kid. Kind of just an alternate version of the Carter Evans situation. If I remember correctly, Evans had a D1 offer or two but was really--as has been proven with a respectable (though injury-plagued) career at NSU--more of a D2 kid. Before SDSU/USD/NDSU/UND made the D1 jump, Doyle was the type of kid who probably would've ended up a solid player at an NCC/NSIC school for 4 years. Instead, he sat the bench at now-D1 SDSU for a handful of years and is just now having a chance to use size/skills that probably would've been perfect at the D2 level from the start.

    This is why I get anxious every time I hear rumors of Mankato jumping to D1 in the near future. They're in a prime, prime pocket of the NSIC recruiting footprint, with facilities that already are envied by nearly every team in the conference and several of the low-major D1s, and they have a good-sized campus in a respectable city. Not saying they'd steal every potential NSIC "star," but even if they only signed 2-3 kids each year who would've otherwise been 1st Team All-NSIC type players at this level, that's 2-3 fewer players who could be leading a still-D2 school like Augie or St. Cloud to a Conference/National Championship. Especially if a couple of those kids would've ended up at the same NSIC school like Jansen and Schilling did.

    I do agree that AAU seems to be doing more and more damage as well, but the schools making the D1 jump several years ago really put a dent in the NSIC's star power. Every one of those schools (USD/SDSU/NDSU/UND) has at least 2-3 kids that would've been key players on NSIC teams throughout their careers, and instead several of them will probably ride the bench for 2-3 years of their careers before they even get playing time, if they ever get playing time at all.

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