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    What is happening since Kim Anderson left? Coach Karleskint is 25-22 in conference in 2.5 years and most of the wins were in his first year with Andersons players. Are we regressing to pre Anderson times or is their hope that the Mules will turn this around. Any thought on how hot Coach K's seat is getting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mule4ever View Post
    What is happening since Kim Anderson left? Coach Karleskint is 25-22 in conference in 2.5 years and most of the wins were in his first year with Andersons players. Are we regressing to pre Anderson times or is their hope that the Mules will turn this around. Any thought on how hot Coach K's seat is getting.
    Seems like the Mules have regressed back to the pack since the coaching change and I think the big reason is due to recruiting and talent. The mule teams I have seen with coach K's recruits are devoid of talent compared to those under Anderson. I would say his seat is getting warm, especially if rival NW continues to dominate them. I know that gets under Hughes skin.

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    NW upperclass heavy, just like UCM was when they made their run. This is NW's year to make some noise. Really like their team. In contrast, the Mules are fairly young. Need to find some inside scoring -- good teams are defending Mules well outside the three point line. Disappointed with fascination with the transfers. Seems to give the new transfers the benefit of the doubt over guys already in the program. Now figuring out that O'neil and Woodson give him better minutes. Seat may be warming, but his first set of h.s. recruits are only sophmores. Needs a fair chance given what he inherited there.
    Last edited by MoHoops; 01-15-2017 at 08:19 PM.

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    While I could understand a dip in his second year this is his third year and things are not looking much better with 3 wins against NAIA teams and losses to Rockhurst which has lost to other league teams this year last year's record of 14-15 is unacceptable and will not finish in the top half of league this year barring major turnaround.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoHoops View Post
    NW upperclass heavy, just like UCM was when they made their run. This is NW's year to make some noise. Really like their team. In contrast, the Mules are fairly young. Need to find some inside scoring -- good teams are defending Mules well outside the three point line. Disappointed with fascination with the transfers. Seems to give the transfers the benefit of the doubt over guys already in the program. Now figuring out that O'neil and Woodson give him better minutes. Seat may be warming, but his first set of h.s. recruits are only sophmores. Needs a fair chance given what he inherited there.
    NW will be salty again next year. 18-19 will be interesting however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoHoops View Post
    NW upperclass heavy, just like UCM was when they made their run. This is NW's year to make some noise. Really like their team. In contrast, the Mules are fairly young. Need to find some inside scoring -- good teams are defending Mules well outside the three point line. Disappointed with fascination with the transfers. Seems to give the transfers the benefit of the doubt over guys already in the program. Now figuring out that O'neil and Woodson give him better minutes. Seat may be warming, but his first set of h.s. recruits are only sophmores. Needs a fair chance given what he inherited there.
    O'Neil is a transfer.

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    On the bio page for the Mules roster it mentioned that first year record was 25-7. That was with Anderson players Deck,Hughes.Brunz,Wolf etc. Since then the record is 23-20 a far cry from the mule ball days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy View Post
    O'Neil is a transfer.
    point taken -- meant this year's crop of new guys.

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    Already played NW twice and split the Hays/Kearney trip to get to 3-3 record. Seems a bit early to think they won't finish in top half "barring a major turnaround".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoHoops View Post
    NW upperclass heavy, just like UCM was when they made their run. This is NW's year to make some noise. Really like their team. In contrast, the Mules are fairly young. Need to find some inside scoring -- good teams are defending Mules well outside the three point line. Disappointed with fascination with the transfers. Seems to give the new transfers the benefit of the doubt over guys already in the program. Now figuring out that O'neil and Woodson give him better minutes. Seat may be warming, but his first set of h.s. recruits are only sophmores. Needs a fair chance given what he inherited there.
    I don't have a dog in this fight but can you explain the last line? He inherited the defending national champions and went 25-7 his first year. UCM is historically a basketball school that supports it that way. What you said makes it sound like he had to come in and fix something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornetfan View Post
    I don't have a dog in this fight but can you explain the last line? He inherited the defending national champions and went 25-7 his first year. UCM is historically a basketball school that supports it that way. What you said makes it sound like he had to come in and fix something.
    Inherited a team full of seniors (ex Wolf/Woodson), and due to timing of Haith/Anderson departures missed an entire h.s. recruiting year of what would now be juniors. Has had to fill his upper class with transfers until he can get his own guys in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoHoops View Post
    Inherited a team full of seniors (ex Wolf/Woodson), and due to timing of Haith/Anderson departures missed an entire h.s. recruiting year of what would now be juniors. Has had to fill his upper class with transfers until he can get his own guys in there.


    Like Anderson did when transfers played all but Wolf's 34 minutes in the 6 NCAA tournament games during the national championship run?

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    Different strokes. Building with four year players seems like more sustainable model than trying to win by taking on other people's problems (see NWMo).
    Sorry to besmirch your loving memory of Saint Kim, but he left your program in a lurch, just like Frank Haith did at Mizzou.

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    Randy gets my point. Like I said 25-7 with Andersons returnees he had that season and off season to line up talent to replace the outgoing seniors then he brought in senior transfers and Mr. Scott messed up and got kicked off team major blow and injuries lead to first losing season in years. My problem with coach K is this year the team is looking like it won't be much better than the conference seeding of 9th. So really if you want to blame Anderson you can't cause this year is on coach K. And this is a way better conference than he came from so recruiting has not stepped up.

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    Not blaming Coach A. This started with me saying give the new guy a chance to succeed, but like most times on this board it always goes back to the fact that Karleskint is not Anderson or doesn't do things like Anderson.
    Assumed that last post would be a little like yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater. However, Coach A left this program and ain't coming back (neither is Phog Allen or Jim Wooldridge) , so maybe let's look forward not backward.

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    Thanks MoHoops as a student in 1984 when Lynn Nance team won title and graduating when Wooldridge was coach then seeing success with Sundvold then going through a dry spell until Anderson was hired I just am disappointed to see the program slipping like it has the last two years I see 2 guys with size coming in next year and guards returning but just hate seeing that the Mules are not able to beat any conference team on a given night. Plus the home court advantage has taken a major hit used to be able to count on a win in the burg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoHoops View Post
    Different strokes. Building with four year players seems like more sustainable model than trying to win by taking on other people's problems (see NWMo).
    Sorry to besmirch your loving memory of Saint Kim, but he left your program in a lurch, just like Frank Haith did at Mizzou.
    If 3 D2 "final 4's" in his last 8 seasons and national championship in his last season is leaving the program in a lurch, I'll take it. I wish the Mules were still in that kind of lurch.

    NCAA D2 Final 4's by current MIAA teams (* = Champion):

    4 - Central MO (1984*,2007,2009,2014*)
    2 - Washburn (1994,2001)
    1 - Northeastern (2003* member of Lone Star)
    1 - Southern (2000)
    1 - Hays (1996* member of Rocky Mountain)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoHoops View Post
    Different strokes. Building with four year players seems like more sustainable model than trying to win by taking on other people's problems (see NWMo).
    Sorry to besmirch your loving memory of Saint Kim, but he left your program in a lurch, just like Frank Haith did at Mizzou.
    This group of guys is playing better than their record shows. Even under Anderson, the Mules could not beat Hays at Hays. I am happy with the home loss against Northwest, the Bearcats are that good.

    Something to remember is this team's GPA, these kids are going to actually get degrees. Wolf already has a job lined up after graduation. Unlike under Coach Anderson, you do not see the team's names in the police reports. I can remember reading a post on here after the Mules lost to Duke calling for Coach K to be fired. If the Mules where being blown out every week maybe his seat would be hot, but you are seeing this team get progressively better every game. Something to remember is the other teams in the MIAA have improved as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy View Post
    If 3 D2 "final 4's" in his last 8 seasons and national championship in his last season is leaving the program in a lurch, I'll take it. I wish the Mules were still in that kind of lurch.

    NCAA D2 Final 4's by current MIAA teams (* = Champion):

    4 - Central MO (1984*,2007,2009,2014*)
    2 - Washburn (1994,2001)
    1 - Northeastern (2003* member of Lone Star)
    1 - Southern (2000)
    1 - Hays (1996* member of Rocky Mountain)
    None during his first four years? People must have been more patient back then. What you lack in intellect, you certainly make up for with passion. I can respect that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mule4ever View Post
    Thanks MoHoops as a student in 1984 when Lynn Nance team won title and graduating when Wooldridge was coach then seeing success with Sundvold then going through a dry spell until Anderson was hired I just am disappointed to see the program slipping like it has the last two years I see 2 guys with size coming in next year and guards returning but just hate seeing that the Mules are not able to beat any conference team on a given night. Plus the home court advantage has taken a major hit used to be able to count on a win in the burg.
    I appreciate that and I hope they get back there soon. I like that he is adding good kids and looking to build a program with a solid foundation. Obviously, I am not a fan of the revolving door of transfers.

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