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    With the new NABC poll out, NW is now ranked #1 in the country. The football team currently ranks #1 in the country as well. To anyone's knowledge, has any D2 school had the #1 ranked football and men's basketball team at the same time?

    Football goes for the national championship this weekend. 3 years ago, FB won the national championship and the NW bball team lost to UCM in OT by 1 point in the Sweet 16. UCM went on to be national champs. Last year, FB also won the national championship and NW bball lost to Augustana in the Sweet 16 by 2 and Augustana went on to win the national championship. Would be quite the accomplishment if FB and BB won championships in the same year. I do not believe that has ever been done but still a LONG way to go in bball season.

    Congrats to both teams and heck of an accomplishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWHoops View Post
    With the new NABC poll out, NW is now ranked #1 in the country. The football team currently ranks #1 in the country as well. To anyone's knowledge, has any D2 school had the #1 ranked football and men's basketball team at the same time?

    Football goes for the national championship this weekend. 3 years ago, FB won the national championship and the NW bball team lost to UCM in OT by 1 point in the Sweet 16. UCM went on to be national champs. Last year, FB also won the national championship and NW bball lost to Augustana in the Sweet 16 by 2 and Augustana went on to win the national championship. Would be quite the accomplishment if FB and BB won championships in the same year. I do not believe that has ever been done but still a LONG way to go in bball season.

    Congrats to both teams and heck of an accomplishment.
    NW is truly a powerhouse in FB, it would be an utter accomplishment if you won NC in both BB and FB. Most likely the 1st time would have happened. NW gets monster crowds for FB for being in such a small community, but BB crowds seem small...any reason?

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    As far as the polls go, apparently a loss to Minot will brutalize you.

    The Vikes went from #21 last week to not even receiving a single vote this week. I figured dropping out of the Top 25 was a likelihood, but to not even receive a single Top 25 vote is fascinating to me. Suppose that's why you shouldn't lose to Minot.

    As far as NWMSU goes, I will be beyond surprised if anybody from our region knocks off the Bearcats (in the Regional Tournament, I mean) before they travel back to Sioux Falls for the Elite Eight. To me, NWMSU losing in the Regional would be as surprising as (possibly even more surprising than) the Bearcats knocking Augie out in the 2nd round in 2014-15. Particularly with how poorly the NSIC has performed overall in cross-conference showdowns and the fact that no NSIC team has shown a clear, heads-and-shoulders-above-the-rest talent level in our conference. Unless an MIAA squad can prove they have what it takes to slay the Bearcats, I think the Regional Championship is Justin Pitts's for the taking.

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    Augie had 8 points, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterWizard View Post
    Augie had 8 points, right?
    I was looking at the poll on NCAA.com. I didn't see us anywhere on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    I was looking at the poll on NCAA.com. I didn't see us anywhere on there.
    Correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    As far as the polls go, apparently a loss to Minot will brutalize you.

    The Vikes went from #21 last week to not even receiving a single vote this week. I figured dropping out of the Top 25 was a likelihood, but to not even receive a single Top 25 vote is fascinating to me. Suppose that's why you shouldn't lose to Minot.

    As far as NWMSU goes, I will be beyond surprised if anybody from our region knocks off the Bearcats (in the Regional Tournament, I mean) before they travel back to Sioux Falls for the Elite Eight. To me, NWMSU losing in the Regional would be as surprising as (possibly even more surprising than) the Bearcats knocking Augie out in the 2nd round in 2014-15. Particularly with how poorly the NSIC has performed overall in cross-conference showdowns and the fact that no NSIC team has shown a clear, heads-and-shoulders-above-the-rest talent level in our conference. Unless an MIAA squad can prove they have what it takes to slay the Bearcats, I think the Regional Championship is Justin Pitts's for the taking.
    I've stated this before, but it seems so far this year Pitts is not having to take over the game in order for NW to win. Ndow and Woods have both stepped up their games and you are still getting the reliable contribution from Schneider, mosby and Dougherty. In particular, Ndow has become a matchup nightmare. I said last year that he was the most gifted athlete on the team and that he was still really raw. This year is a different story. Add in a 6'7" frosh in Welte off the bench with arguably an equal eye as Schneider from 3 and you see why Pitts isn't being asked to do as much. ?dont get me wrong, if it comes crunch time and you need to score, you still want the ball in #1's hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingfaithful View Post
    NW is truly a powerhouse in FB, it would be an utter accomplishment if you won NC in both BB and FB. Most likely the 1st time would have happened. NW gets monster crowds for FB for being in such a small community, but BB crowds seem small...any reason?
    Small gym. Also, NW is a big suitcase college, with many students leaving on weekends. Crowds do pick up when football is over.

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    I think town size has a lot to do with it as well 86Catillac. It's a lot easier for people to come in on a Saturday than it is to drive from KC or Omaha or Des Moines for a 7:30 game that lasts two hours and then they have to drive back and go to work the next day.

    If Maryville had 50,000 people the basketball attendance would be better.

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    The arena size has a lot to do with it as well. I doubt if there are over 2000 seats in Bearcat Arena so even a crowd of 1800 "plays" bigger in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWHoops View Post
    With the new NABC poll out, NW is now ranked #1 in the country. The football team currently ranks #1 in the country as well. To anyone's knowledge, has any D2 school had the #1 ranked football and men's basketball team at the same time?

    Football goes for the national championship this weekend. 3 years ago, FB won the national championship and the NW bball team lost to UCM in OT by 1 point in the Sweet 16. UCM went on to be national champs. Last year, FB also won the national championship and NW bball lost to Augustana in the Sweet 16 by 2 and Augustana went on to win the national championship. Would be quite the accomplishment if FB and BB won championships in the same year. I do not believe that has ever been done but still a LONG way to go in bball season.

    Congrats to both teams and heck of an accomplishment.
    I am not sure with Division II but Florida won the 2006 Football and Men's Basketball national titles.

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    The St Joe News Press said this is a 1st for D2

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    I was looking at the poll on NCAA.com. I didn't see us anywhere on there.
    Nabc.org website shows Augustana SD with 8 points and #28. You're still okay for now.

    So here's a question: as the season progresses and you want your team in position to be selected to the regional, would you rather be scoring well in this PI thing or bouncing around somewhere in the top 25? Missouri Southern is #7 in the nation in the latest PI standings, but is currently off the radar in the top 25 voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterWizard View Post
    Nabc.org website shows Augustana SD with 8 points and #28. You're still okay for now.

    So here's a question: as the season progresses and you want your team in position to be selected to the regional, would you rather be scoring well in this PI thing or bouncing around somewhere in the top 25? Missouri Southern is #7 in the nation in the latest PI standings, but is currently off the radar in the top 25 voting.
    The PI is a criteria for post-season selection. The top 25 poll is for bragging rights only and means nothing as far as post-season goes.

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    As others have said, I think arena size plays a large role. The plaque entering the gym says capacity is 2500 but I think that's including standing room. We had 2400 a couple years ago in a game against UCM for the conference title and there was nowhere left to sit or stand. My guess is there is seating for 2000 or so. For NSIC fans (for reference), I saw some pictures and would guess our arena is similar to SMSU (although I do see capacity at SMSU is much larger, they look very similar from pictures). We averaged over 1300 attendance last year and may get to the 1500 range with a few more years of success but with arena size, town size, and location to metro area I doubt we'll ever get to the 2000 range.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guest69 View Post
    I am not sure with Division II but Florida won the 2006 Football and Men's Basketball national titles.
    FL is who I thought of from a D1 perspective. Couldn't recall the year though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterWizard View Post
    Nabc.org website shows Augustana SD with 8 points and #28. You're still okay for now.

    So here's a question: as the season progresses and you want your team in position to be selected to the regional, would you rather be scoring well in this PI thing or bouncing around somewhere in the top 25? Missouri Southern is #7 in the nation in the latest PI standings, but is currently off the radar in the top 25 voting.
    Quote Originally Posted by DUPanther View Post
    The PI is a criteria for post-season selection. The top 25 poll is for bragging rights only and means nothing as far as post-season goes.
    That's interesting. I wonder what led to the difference between the NCAA.com version of the NABC poll and the actual NABC site's version of the poll.

    As far as my thoughts on the Top 25 stuff go, I basically lean toward DUPanther's opinion. That being said, I do see a Top 25 standing as a general indication that one's team is winning and doing well enough to likely make the Regional cut, strictly in the sense that if you are winning a majority of your games, you'll be in or near the Top 25, and if you're losing a majority of your games, odds are you won't be in or near the Top 25. Obviously a handful of teams each year make the Regional cut not being in the Top 25, but, unless you play volleyball in the NSIC, the odds of being a consistent Top 25 team and not making the regional seem a little thin. Especially with how how little overall representation the Central Region seems to have in the Top 25 polls so far. (To be clear, not saying a Top 25 ranking is the cause of making the Regional, just that it's a potential effect of your team being good enough to make the Regional.)

    Also, the casual fans seem to put value on that number by the team name much more so than the hardcore fans (like many of us who spend entirely too much time on these message boards). If you're trying to sell tickets and get fans in the seats, I'm sure a #10 or a #3 or a #1 by your name in the ads and newspaper helps more than it hurts.

    In the end, as the general mantra goes, it's the final Regional poll that matters and not much else. But I do think the Top 25 poll can offer some other value throughout the year, even if it doesn't actually determine who makes the Regional cut.

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    A lot of our discussion in the past about the PI's is that they do a great job of ranking teams within your region - but due to limited cross-regional play, they don't give a very accurate national comparison. I still publish my numbers with overall national rankings, just so you can see how they stack up, but I never put that much stock in them with that regard.

    Also, it is still pretty early in the season - some teams have as few as 5 [NCAAII] games on the books at this point. Things will definitely start shifting around in a few weeks once the data pool gets bigger. Remember, my numbers are based solely on formulas, which means the larger the sample, the more accurate the results. The polls are just the opposite - they are entirely based on observation and opinions.

    Personally, I think a few teams are rated to high in both the PI and the polls. But the cream always rises to the top.

    My team, Southern Indiana, has been near the top of the PI ratings from the get-go, but it wasn't until this week that they've made their first break into the top-25 polls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrAugustana View Post
    That's interesting. I wonder what led to the difference between the NCAA.com version of the NABC poll and the actual NABC site's version of the poll.
    The publication I saw last night (haven't checked for updates), they failed to update the "also receiving votes" list and it was a repeat of the previous week. So USI was #24 and also receiving votes.

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