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    IUP had 3,452 last night for the men's game.

    Oddly, it was an extremely quiet crowd.

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    IUP will host the winner of Gannon at UPJ.

    Polar opposite teams. A Gannon visit would be the typical grinder. UPJ would be the more free-flowing game.

    Interesting sidenote: Gannon has a better road record than home record. UPJ's road struggles are well known.

    Not sure who I'd rather see them play. Probably UPJ although I don't think Gannon could score enough to beat IUP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    IUP had 3,452 last night for the men's game.

    Oddly, it was an extremely quiet crowd.
    Might have been a case of sticker shock over the price of their ticket to get in the door. Or at least the ones that had to pay to get in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    IUP will host the winner of Gannon at UPJ.

    Polar opposite teams. A Gannon visit would be the typical grinder. UPJ would be the more free-flowing game.

    Interesting sidenote: Gannon has a better road record than home record. UPJ's road struggles are well known.

    Not sure who I'd rather see them play. Probably UPJ although I don't think Gannon could score enough to beat IUP.
    I don’t think it matters. IUP is head and shoulders above both. That said, UPJ is less physical so I guess I prefer them slightly with the idea of less wear and tear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post
    I don’t think it matters. IUP is head and shoulders above both. That said, UPJ is less physical so I guess I prefer them slightly with the idea of less wear and tear.


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    I agree with you. However, I just hope the team doesn't have the same 'head and shoulders' view.

    Some tid-bits:

    * Dante is playing exceptionally well the past 6 games. During this final stretch he's averaging 20.5 ppg and shooting 56 percent from the field. His turnovers are also tremendously down in the second half of the season.

    * Joe finally caved in to message board pressure. Yeah, probably not, but nevertheless Chucky Humphries' minutes have skyrocketed in the past two weeks. And, truth be told, that was long over due. Against Seton Hill, he went for 10 rebounds, 5 points and 2 assists in 26 minutes. Humphries is a game-altering problem for opponents. He's exceptionally quick for a post player, can jump out of the building and will annoy the crap out of opposing teams' big men.

    * As a result of Humphries playing more, we are seeing a more productive Willem. Brandwijk has quietly been averaging near 8 points and 8 boards per game. With less minutes, Willem is also getting to the line much less -- drastically reducing empty or one-point possessions.

    * Item to watch: Malik has been dreadful 2 of his past 3 games. In fact, he was benched this past Saturday night for the final 25-30 percent of the game. In between rough outings at California and against Seton Hill, he had an amazing game at Edinboro. However, against Cal and Seton Hill he combined for 3-20 from the field. Malik shows the flashes of being IUP's most gifted scorer and when he's dialed in may be the best player in the PSAC. Joe was on him pretty hard Saturday night. Hopefully that gets him back on track.

    * Marko Krivacevic's minutes are also rising. His production per minute is pretty impressive, and there's no fall-off when he comes in to the game. Many nights it's actually a boost. They will start to see some smaller teams in the coming weeks and he will be a big match-up problem.

    * Anthony White could be in the deep rotation as a defensive agitator. He's big and extremely fast. He's an 'in your face' defender. He would be a 20-25 minute player for most teams in the PSAC. I think they could use him more in spurts.

    * Armoni's nagging injury is really limiting his production (just 3 points total in the past two games). He had some really big offensive games earlier in the season and will be needed as the competition ramps us.

    * In case you missed, Cobo gave up his senior night start so walk-on Todd Fetsko could make his first career start. He then continued his torrid play with another 20 point, 6 rebound performance. The only thing they are missing with him lately is he's not getting to the line nearly as much. Odd for a 6'9" forward that few can guard. He's also perhaps the teams best free throw shooter. Consider in the past four games he's only attempted 7 FTs.

    * Speaking of FTs, this still is a somewhat lingering problem. Over the past four games IUP is hitting just 62 percent (28-45) at the line. They are just a hair over 70 percent for the season.

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    As time passes we tend to remember certain players in certain ways. DeVante Chance often gets recalled as almost having an immortal senior season.

    It may surprise many of you that Dante Lombardi is having, statistically, a nearly identical senior season.

    Keep in mind Chance played 38 games as a senior. Dante has played just 28 so far.


    Minutes per game: Lombardi 36.2 - Chance 38

    FG%: Lombardi 44% Chance 46%

    3-point%: Lombardi 38% Chance 40%

    FT%: Lombardi 82% Chance 80%

    PPG: Lombardi 16.8 Chance 16.5

    Assists: Lombardi 155 Chance 217

    TOs: Lombardi 96 Chance 130


    I'm not suggesting one is better than the other or anything but thought it may surprise many on here to see how nearly identical their numbers actually are when you put them on paper beside one another.


    Another comparison: Chance's senior team which advanced to the national final stood at 23-5 entering the PSAC Tournament. This year's team is currently at 26-2.


    So, just for fun, put the 2018-19 team up against the 2014-15 team. Not so easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    As time passes we tend to remember certain players in certain ways. DeVante Chance often gets recalled as almost having an immortal senior season.

    It may surprise many of you that Dante Lombardi is having, statistically, a nearly identical senior season.

    Keep in mind Chance played 38 games as a senior. Dante has played just 28 so far.


    Minutes per game: Lombardi 36.2 - Chance 38

    FG%: Lombardi 44% Chance 46%

    3-point%: Lombardi 38% Chance 40%

    FT%: Lombardi 82% Chance 80%

    PPG: Lombardi 16.8 Chance 16.5

    Assists: Lombardi 155 Chance 217

    TOs: Lombardi 96 Chance 130


    I'm not suggesting one is better than the other or anything but thought it may surprise many on here to see how nearly identical their numbers actually are when you put them on paper beside one another.


    Another comparison: Chance's senior team which advanced to the national final stood at 23-5 entering the PSAC Tournament. This year's team is currently at 26-2.


    So, just for fun, put the 2018-19 team up against the 2014-15 team. Not so easy.
    Interesting stuff. Devante’s turnover number stands out. I think we romanticize over time that he was super polished as a senior and that whole ‘streetball’ part of his game was all gone. The fact that he was a stone cold killer and hit a ton of big shots tends to wipe any negatives from our memories.

    If there’s a critique I had of Dante’s season to date is that he was still a little more susceptible to the really bad game than you’d want your senior PG to be. Though in some of those nights where the shots didn’t fall he did make up for it with solid numbers in other categories.

    He’s had an excellent career. He’ll have well over 1500 points by the time he’s done, all time leader in assists and 3 pointers. Playing for your dad isn’t all sunshine and rainbows. But this postseason will determine just how we’re talking about him in 5 years.

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    Looking back at that team:

    Devante: 16.5 ppg
    Dyer: 14.2 ppg
    Norfleet: 11.4 ppg
    Daddy: 11.0 ppg
    Jeffers: 8.1 ppg
    Hanner: 5.5 ppg
    Cottrell: 3.6 ppg (with 60 blocks)
    Manny Yarde: 3.0 ppg

    That team was much better at the FT line compared to this one (almost a full 10 points better at 79%). They are about a wash from deep.

    That team only scored 74.53 per game (but only gave up 62.75 per game).

    It's sick to thing back to that guard trio of Chance, Norfleet and Dyer. Recall they took a while to kind of learn to co-exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Norris View Post
    Interesting stuff. Devante’s turnover number stands out. I think we romanticize over time that he was super polished as a senior and that whole ‘streetball’ part of his game was all gone. The fact that he was a stone cold killer and hit a ton of big shots tends to wipe any negatives from our memories.

    If there’s a critique I had of Dante’s season to date is that he was still a little more susceptible to the really bad game than you’d want your senior PG to be. Though in some of those nights where the shots didn’t fall he did make up for it with solid numbers in other categories.

    He’s had an excellent career. He’ll have well over 1500 points by the time he’s done, all time leader in assists and 3 pointers. Playing for your dad isn’t all sunshine and rainbows. But this postseason will determine just how we’re talking about him in 5 years.
    That is well said and a nice job by IUPBigIndians of contrasting Dante with Devante during their senior seasons. I was certainly critical of Dante and Bravado heading into this season, but Dante has certainly more than upheld his end of the bargain thus far. And so much more than that even. Like Mr. Norris states----he is a great postseason away from perhaps being mentioned in the same breath with a litany of storied IUP guards. That is pretty rarefied air to be honest. Great to see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUP CRIMSON HAWKS View Post
    That is well said and a nice job by IUPBigIndians of contrasting Dante with Devante during their senior seasons. I was certainly critical of Dante and Bravado heading into this season, but Dante has certainly more than upheld his end of the bargain thus far. And so much more than that even. Like Mr. Norris states----he is a great postseason away from perhaps being mentioned in the same breath with a litany of storied IUP guards. That is pretty rarefied air to be honest. Great to see!

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    How about a comparison to Ashton Smith! Ashton might have been the best 4 year guard Joe has ever coached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPalum View Post
    How about a comparison to Ashton Smith! Ashton might have been the best 4 year guard Joe has ever coached.
    That will be tomorrow's homework assignment !


    First pick: Cobo or Webb ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPalum View Post
    How about a comparison to Ashton Smith! Ashton might have been the best 4 year guard Joe has ever coached.
    Bravado has had so many great guards in his time here----Ashton, Sand Man, Stewart, Devante, Norfleet, Dyer, et al. I would have a very hard time in selecting "the best" one. They all brought something great to the game. It's really a pretty amazing collection that he has had in his backcourts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUP CRIMSON HAWKS View Post
    Bravado has had so many great guards in his time here----Ashton, Sand Man, Stewart, Devante, Norfleet, Dyer, et al. I would have a very hard time in selecting "the best" one. They all brought something great to the game. It's really a pretty amazing collection that he has had in his backcourts.

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    Yep. Next year it will be the Malik and Armoni show. Armoni will be the next great one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    That will be tomorrow's homework assignment !


    First pick: Cobo or Webb ?
    I'll take the Mighty Webb. Absolute monster in the low post. D-II POY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUP CRIMSON HAWKS View Post
    I'll take the Mighty Webb. Absolute monster in the low post. D-II POY.

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    Really hate to snub Cobo, but Webb was my first reaction too.

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    I never got to see Webb play in person, but my feeling from seeing highlights is that I would go with Webb.

    He just looked ferocious on the court. A guy that you feared getting off the bus. He had that bullish feel to his game. Cobo is a great player - one of the best to ever play at IUP - but I don’t sense that in him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    Looking back at that team:

    Devante: 16.5 ppg
    Dyer: 14.2 ppg
    Norfleet: 11.4 ppg
    Daddy: 11.0 ppg
    Jeffers: 8.1 ppg
    Hanner: 5.5 ppg
    Cottrell: 3.6 ppg (with 60 blocks)
    Manny Yarde: 3.0 ppg

    That team was much better at the FT line compared to this one (almost a full 10 points better at 79%). They are about a wash from deep.

    That team only scored 74.53 per game (but only gave up 62.75 per game).

    It's sick to thing back to that guard trio of Chance, Norfleet and Dyer. Recall they took a while to kind of learn to co-exist.
    What I remember most about that team is that, and specifically the guard trio, is that it took an injury to Brandon Norfleet to get those guys to really figure it out. That was a great team, but they didn’t really become great until March. I think we all forget that.

    I forget what the Norfleet injury was, but he missed a stretch of 4 games in February that included Slippery Rock, Cal, Mercyhurst, and Gannon. His injury came when they had 3 losses and weren’t yet a dominant team. Lose 2 of those games and you might be a lock for the NCAA Tournament. They won all four.

    That was the stretch when Dyer took over. I vividly remember thinking their season was over when Norfleet went down. In all reality, that might’ve been what they needed at that exact time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IUP24 View Post
    I never got to see Webb play in person, but my feeling from seeing highlights is that I would go with Webb.

    He just looked ferocious on the court. A guy that you feared getting off the bus. He had that bullish feel to his game. Cobo is a great player - one of the best to ever play at IUP - but I don’t sense that in him.


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    They are very different. I've seen Cobo play 120-some games. I can't tell you how many nights you see him play and then look at the boxscore afterward and are like WTF?

    He's a statisic machine. There's nights it feels like he has 8 points and then the boxscore says 27 points, 10 boards and 5 assists.

    He's not nearly as flashy as Webb but is every bit as effective. Different teams and different IUP styles.

    Cobo should soon join Webb with a retired number.

    Daddy Ugbede was another one that I think goes underrated. Offensively he was nearly unstoppable (when Joe would cut him loose). If he wasn't a foul machine he could have had gigantic numbers. His spin move was the best I've ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUP24 View Post
    I never got to see Webb play in person, but my feeling from seeing highlights is that I would go with Webb.

    He just looked ferocious on the court. A guy that you feared getting off the bus. He had that bullish feel to his game. Cobo is a great player - one of the best to ever play at IUP - but I don’t sense that in him.


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    He’s the best player I ever saw in an IUP uniform, and there have been some good ones.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    As time passes we tend to remember certain players in certain ways. DeVante Chance often gets recalled as almost having an immortal senior season.

    It may surprise many of you that Dante Lombardi is having, statistically, a nearly identical senior season.

    Keep in mind Chance played 38 games as a senior. Dante has played just 28 so far.


    Minutes per game: Lombardi 36.2 - Chance 38

    FG%: Lombardi 44% Chance 46%

    3-point%: Lombardi 38% Chance 40%

    FT%: Lombardi 82% Chance 80%

    PPG: Lombardi 16.8 Chance 16.5

    Assists: Lombardi 155 Chance 217

    TOs: Lombardi 96 Chance 130


    I'm not suggesting one is better than the other or anything but thought it may surprise many on here to see how nearly identical their numbers actually are when you put them on paper beside one another.


    Another comparison: Chance's senior team which advanced to the national final stood at 23-5 entering the PSAC Tournament. This year's team is currently at 26-2.


    So, just for fun, put the 2018-19 team up against the 2014-15 team. Not so easy.
    The final question during postgame interviews with players would always be, "do you have any other thoughts?" Devante ended every interview with "(insert IUP's record), Hawk Family. On to the next." I don't know why I remember that. I do remember interviewing Marcel once while he was eating a half-cold leftover corn dog the concessions people sent down the locker room.

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