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    Is there anyone out there with a little insider track on what is going on down in Indianapolis this year? Obviously Southwest is playing GREAT football, so that loss is one thing, but for UIndy to be 1-4, that's crazy. You would have to think that talent-wise they are probably still the best team in the league, but they are just not getting it done. What are the other thoughts out there?

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    By no means is this an "insider track", but one thing that stood out to me as I was doing my initial blog research this week (re: UIndy) was just pure execution. They have a 26.2% offensive third-down conversion rate (allowing a GLVC-worst 37.7% in that category), which leads to your defense being on the field more (last in time of possession), but isn't turning into more turnovers forced (just five forced / 12 committed).

    Also, I think other teams in the GLVC (Southwest Baptist, Truman) are better this year and UIndy is getting the "Golden State" treatment where they are the circled game on every single schedule. Steph Curry said toward the end of last season that it was difficult getting every team's best shot every single night, which might have led to them breaking down a bit late in the never-ending NBA playoffs. Couple that tough starting stretch of GLVC play with the early non-conference schedule and it just has the feel of a storm pulling everything together at once.

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    Simply think teams caught up with them. U Indy admin seems to have got complacent with all the winning they did the last few years: GLIACs like Ashland and Grand Valley, Playoff game against Midwestern St., Delta St. etc. The past. I don't see any big development going into their program recently. You gotta keep playing the facilities proliferation game or you get behind fast. Schools taking care of football first because it brings the fans and campus excitement - and most importantly the recruits to stay at the top. U Indy fans showing up 5-10 thousand a game because of a solid coach that had a winning program. But U Indy admin resting on past laurels. Big mistake. If you don't feed football first, you'll end up with a bunch of good minor sports drawing a few hundred a game. Is that what they want??

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    The loss of the Dynamic Duo of Barthel and Horn has hit us hard, IMO. That was a nine year connection that had built amazing chemistry almost to the point of muscle memory. Barthel and Horn knew each other so well that little else mattered. Go from that to a first time starter at QB and some youth at the wideout spot (only two upperclassmen there); that's a big difference. I think this problem solves itself with time, and who knows, maybe it already has. The last drive of the Truman game showed the potential for greatness in those connections. Rebuilding year? Maybe. Demise of the program? Not even close. The Hounds are fine.

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    Demise of the program, absolutely not. Never my intended message, In fact even with the losses I would still argue that the hounds are probably the most, pound for pound, talented team in the league. They just seem to have the leadership this year with the loss of some of those players. Let's not fail to mention the big fella in the middle of the defense that graduated too. I just didn't expect this type of drop off, even given their losses, but their is probably a lot of merit to the point that the rest of the league is getting better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Madsen View Post
    By no means is this an "insider track", but one thing that stood out to me as I was doing my initial blog research this week (re: UIndy) was just pure execution. They have a 26.2% offensive third-down conversion rate (allowing a GLVC-worst 37.7% in that category), which leads to your defense being on the field more (last in time of possession), but isn't turning into more turnovers forced (just five forced / 12 committed).

    Also, I think other teams in the GLVC (Southwest Baptist, Truman) are better this year and UIndy is getting the "Golden State" treatment where they are the circled game on every single schedule. Steph Curry said toward the end of last season that it was difficult getting every team's best shot every single night, which might have led to them breaking down a bit late in the never-ending NBA playoffs. Couple that tough starting stretch of GLVC play with the early non-conference schedule and it just has the feel of a storm pulling everything together at once.

    And SBU's schedule hasn't hurt them for sure. Would have preferred for the Hounds to have had SBU and TSU at home this year. SBU had UIndy, McK, TSU, and S&T all at home. Not saying they're not a good team, just saying that hasn't hurt them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoundOfSackervilles View Post
    The loss of the Dynamic Duo of Barthel and Horn has hit us hard, IMO. That was a nine year connection that had built amazing chemistry almost to the point of muscle memory. Barthel and Horn knew each other so well that little else mattered. Go from that to a first time starter at QB and some youth at the wideout spot (only two upperclassmen there); that's a big difference. I think this problem solves itself with time, and who knows, maybe it already has. The last drive of the Truman game showed the potential for greatness in those connections. Rebuilding year? Maybe. Demise of the program? Not even close. The Hounds are fine.
    Agree w/your assessment HOS. We had the same thing in Janis/Jennings when they moved on. Bart will get them back on track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saggydad View Post
    Agree w/your assessment HOS. We had the same thing in Janis/Jennings when they moved on. Bart will get them back on track.
    Saggy responded to their down years with the building of the SVSU Fieldhouse.

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    Despite their 2-4 record, UIndy fans continue to support the program. Check out the attendance figures compared to others in the state of Indiana. UIndy has outdrawn every one of these programs.

    UINDY
    19,339 (2) - 9,669/avg.


    INDIANA STATE
    19,257 (3) - 6,419/avg.



    BALL STATE
    18,151 (2) - 9,075/avg.


    BUTLER
    12,376 (3) - 4,125/avg.


    MARIAN
    10,200 (3) - 3,400/avg.



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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganfb View Post
    Simply think teams caught up with them. U Indy admin seems to have got complacent with all the winning they did the last few years: GLIACs like Ashland and Grand Valley, Playoff game against Midwestern St., Delta St. etc. The past. I don't see any big development going into their program recently. You gotta keep playing the facilities proliferation game or you get behind fast. Schools taking care of football first because it brings the fans and campus excitement - and most importantly the recruits to stay at the top. U Indy fans showing up 5-10 thousand a game because of a solid coach that had a winning program. But U Indy admin resting on past laurels. Big mistake. If you don't feed football first, you'll end up with a bunch of good minor sports drawing a few hundred a game. Is that what they want??
    Don't know if they are complacent, but the GLVC football is mad dup of mostly bad programs & UIndy has come down to their level. Recruiting is not great, UIndy football not near GLIAV level in terms of talent. Title IX stops UIndy from feeding football first as you said, I agree big mistake not making football the school's cash cow and treating it above other sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoundDog View Post
    Despite their 2-4 record, UIndy fans continue to support the program. Check out the attendance figures compared to others in the state of Indiana. UIndy has outdrawn every one of these programs.

    UINDY
    19,339 (2) - 9,669/avg.


    INDIANA STATE
    19,257 (3) - 6,419/avg.



    BALL STATE
    18,151 (2) - 9,075/avg.


    BUTLER
    12,376 (3) - 4,125/avg.


    MARIAN
    10,200 (3) - 3,400/avg.


    If these numbers are legit and not doctored, these are impressive. I was at UIndy's game against Marian earlier this season and might have been 7,000 at most, they listed attendance at 10,000. I think they list all students enrolled as in attendance every game, enrollment at 4,000. Otherwise don't see how there was 10,000 listed as attendance for Marian game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UIndyGradyGreyhound View Post
    If these numbers are legit and not doctored, these are impressive. I was at UIndy's game against Marian earlier this season and might have been 7,000 at most, they listed attendance at 10,000. I think they list all students enrolled as in attendance every game, enrollment at 4,000. Otherwise don't see how there was 10,000 listed as attendance for Marian game.

    Ive been going to UIndy games for 15 or so years....there was a helluva lot more than 7k at that Marian game. I'll believe the numbers based on other college games I've been to at Butler, Franklin, DePauw, Wabash, BSU & ISU. I was at the Hillsdale home game a couple of years ago where they had 9200.....there was a lot more people at the Marian game than there were at that Hillsdale game. UIndy has 5,000 students.....I've been to games where they had 3,000 announced attendance so they aren't counting students. With all that being said.....there are a lot more people attending games than there was 10 years ago. My opinion only.

    I believe the current talent level to be more than comparable with their GLIAC days....by that I mean that current teams are probably a .500 level GLIAC team with a couple teams in last 4-5 years being top 1/3 of GLIAC. Before I get raked over the coals from GLIAC posters, I didn't say that today's teams would be competing for a GLIAC championship.

    State of UIndy football is as solid and bright as it has been in last 5-7 years in my opinion. It's been a tough year but as someone that's been watching for 15+ years I'm as bullish on the program. staff, players and the school as ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoundDog View Post
    Ive been going to UIndy games for 15 or so years....there was a helluva lot more than 7k at that Marian game. I'll believe the numbers based on other college games I've been to at Butler, Franklin, DePauw, Wabash, BSU & ISU. I was at the Hillsdale home game a couple of years ago where they had 9200.....there was a lot more people at the Marian game than there were at that Hillsdale game. UIndy has 5,000 students.....I've been to games where they had 3,000 announced attendance so they aren't counting students. With all that being said.....there are a lot more people attending games than there was 10 years ago. My opinion only.

    I believe the current talent level to be more than comparable with their GLIAC days....by that I mean that current teams are probably a .500 level GLIAC team with a couple teams in last 4-5 years being top 1/3 of GLIAC. Before I get raked over the coals from GLIAC posters, I didn't say that today's teams would be competing for a GLIAC championship.

    State of UIndy football is as solid and bright as it has been in last 5-7 years in my opinion. It's been a tough year but as someone that's been watching for 15+ years I'm as bullish on the program. staff, players and the school as ever.
    I don't agree about the Marian game attendance, but I will take your word. There was a group of us there and we all guessed 7,000 as the attendance. Saw the box score the following day and was shocked it said 10,000.

    I hear from my GLIAC friends all the time, I think you are wrong about the Hounds being comparable to those teams. GVSU, FSU, Ashland, Wayne State, we don't have the same type of players, never would be in the game with them nowadays. To see UIndy struggle with bad teams in the GLVC and lose to a school like Marian is disheartening. If that is solid and bright as you stated, I do not want to see when it hits rock bottom. I will continue to support the Hounds always. Point is, I think our program has sunk to the level of the GLVC teams instead of elevating itself to the GLIAC level we were at. Just my opinion on the football program.

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    Recruiting wise U Indy did great with LBs and WRs this past year. Don't think U Indy got the number of linemen they need though. But as a program they've handled Hillsdale until this year and beat Grand Valley, Ashland and Ferris last time they played them. Don't think there are more than three GLIAC schools that could hang with NAIA Marian. Marian gets the great Indy athletes that don't qualify for NCAA D1/D2 because they don't pass core classes and/or don't have the sat/act score. Plus Marian takes the super stars that have been booted out of D1 programs: Gore, Allen, Beckford, etc.

    A few years back I doubted that many fans could be showing up D2 (without being a Grand Valley) since I wasn't at many U Indy home games. Checked with Indianapolis people I know (NCAA offices are in Indy) and found they do a decent job counting. Checked with a Hillsdale guy I know when U Indy had 9,000 plus and he said it was a "great atmosphere" and that they do a good job bringing people to games because it was "very very lively". I was at U Indy v Hillsdale and don't think U Indy had as many at Hillsdale as in years past though.

    Always impressed with Grand Valley, Ashland and U Indy fans. I think schools can count the booster club people prepaid tix whether they show or not. But I wouldn't think that's more than a few hundred. My guess is boosters show up at U Indy because last game I attended in Indy I estimated about 1,000 watching from the endzone tents and eating Chick fil a. Reminded me of a Country Fair. And four years ago I counted over a 1,000 at Ashland on the U Indy visitor side with their red/black on.

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    From 2006-2010......we were 27-28. From 2011-2016......we were 46-13.

    I would bet a decent amount of money that our athletic department saw a corresponding increase in attendance and fan interest. With the exception of GVSU, Hillsdale & Ashland.....none of the other GLIAC teams move the attendance needle. Fans want to see a winner and they don't care what conference it's in. Do I wish we could go 46-13 in the GLIAC, of course. Being a private school in the GLIAC is impossible as far as football is concerned....IMO.

    Regardless of what we UIndy fans think of Marian's NAIA status and how they recruit.....they are really freaking good. Whether you believe it or not that game draws a huge amount of local interest from not only each school but the casual fan as well. I wasn't shocked at all at the announced attendance of 10,963. I hope UIndy keeps the game as that's a game that will always move the attendance needle.

    We've had a tough year....our fan support has been great....the future is still bright. I happen to think the fact that in 2 home games we've outdrawn both Ball State (2 home games) and Indiana State (3 home games) is pretty cool and reflects the interest in UIndy as a football program and school.

    Go Hounds.

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    I hear from my GLIAC friends all the time, I think you are wrong about the Hounds being comparable to those teams. GVSU, FSU, Ashland, Wayne State, we don't have the same type of players, never would be in the game with them nowadays. To see UIndy struggle with bad teams in the GLVC and lose to a school like Marian is disheartening. If that is solid and bright as you stated, I do not want to see when it hits rock bottom. I will continue to support the Hounds always. Point is, I think our program has sunk to the level of the GLVC teams instead of elevating itself to the GLIAC level we were at. Just my opinion on the football program.[/QUOTE]


    UIndy Grady.........read my quote from a previous post above which I copied below. I never said our current talent is comparable with GVSU/FSU/AU.....though we did beat AU back in 2013. Our current talent is comparable with the UIndy GLIAC days. I do believe a couple of the UIndy teams in the last 5 or so could compete in the top 1/3 of the GLIAC. I'll stand by that comment. See my comment below.

    ...."I believe the current talent level to be more than comparable with their GLIAC days....by that I mean that current teams are probably a .500 level GLIAC team with a couple teams in last 4-5 years being top 1/3 of GLIAC. Before I get raked over the coals from GLIAC posters, I didn't say that today's teams would be competing for a GLIAC championship."....


    This years team had a 4th quarter lead at Hillsdale, I wasn't there, I was told it was a game we could have won. We had a 4th quarter lead at SWBU, we had chances against Truman, I wasn't at those games. A couple of breaks or a couple plays here and there and this team could be 5-1 instead of 2-4.....and the old saying if my aunt had ba--s she'd be my uncle...we didn't make those plays, it happens. Marian is a Top 10 D2 team in my opinion, you can choose to believe that or not.

    UIndy starts 1 senior on offense.......6 on defense, with a lot of young guys seeing time on the dline. UIndy will be just fine moving forward....IMO.

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    as a loooong time gliac fan i have always respected indy's program...they were a solid middle of the pack gliac squad...but when you leave competition like that and go to a much lesser conference this is what you get...you drop down to the pack...im not sure if schollys play a role? does indy have the same # of scholarships as they had in the gliac? what happened to indy is not unusual...look at the old ncc... team that left for the nsic (mankato, umd, st cloud, augustana) they dominated the nsic like you guys dominated the glvc...im not sure any of those 4 teams lost a single game to the original nsic teams their first few years or so...now they lose to those teams left and right...they have come down to the pack

    and michiganfootball (love the name by the way) "there are only 3 gliac teams that would be able to hang with marian????" come on man...that is ridiculous talk

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoundDog View Post

    This years team had a 4th quarter lead at Hillsdale, I wasn't there, I was told it was a game we could have won. We had a 4th quarter lead at SWBU, we had chances against Truman, I wasn't at those games. A couple of breaks or a couple plays here and there and this team could be 5-1 instead of 2-4.....and the old saying if my aunt had ba--s she'd be my uncle...we didn't make those plays, it happens. Marian is a Top 10 D2 team in my opinion, you can choose to believe that or not.
    Agreed. Bunch of D1 recruited but NCAA academic "nonqualies" on that team. Just google some of their starters. I watched Marian v St Francis/Fort Wayne Indiana last year. Sure they were trying not to run up the score and it was a semifinal playoff game.

    And Go Blue! UM not MU Marian blue if that was their color. Not a fan of that kind of program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvaara View Post
    as a loooong time gliac fan i have always respected indy's program...they were a solid middle of the pack gliac squad...but when you leave competition like that and go to a much lesser conference this is what you get...you drop down to the pack...im not sure if schollys play a role? does indy have the same # of scholarships as they had in the gliac? what happened to indy is not unusual...look at the old ncc... team that left for the nsic (mankato, umd, st cloud, augustana) they dominated the nsic like you guys dominated the glvc...im not sure any of those 4 teams lost a single game to the original nsic teams their first few years or so...now they lose to those teams left and right...they have come down to the pack

    and michiganfootball (love the name by the way) "there are only 3 gliac teams that would be able to hang with marian????" come on man...that is ridiculous talk
    UIndy not in same caliber league as the GLIAC, that is why Hounds program has slipped a bit in recent years. UIndy should have applied for full membership to GLIAC years ago, GLVC is a sinking ship with worst commissioner in college athletics, name is Naumovich, strange leadership. UIndy had plenty of chances to join GLIAC, maybe revisit that now so many schools left the GLIAC. GLVC is going down hill each year, adding too many bad schools, too far out west. If Bellarmine and USI ever leave, UIndy would be in trouble. That is why I say UIndy needs to look at GLIAC membership for all sports, not just football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganfb View Post
    Agreed. Bunch of D1 recruited but NCAA academic "nonqualies" on that team. Just google some of their starters. I watched Marian v St Francis/Fort Wayne Indiana last year. Sure they were trying not to run up the score and it was a semifinal playoff game.

    And Go Blue! UM not MU Marian blue if that was their color. Not a fan of that kind of program.
    I was at the UIndy vs. Marian game this season. Marian is not as good as GVSU and some of the other GLIAC school. They do have very good athletes, they would win the GLVC. I don't care about "nonqualies" as you call them, the whole stuff about student athletes is a load of bull schools use to try and convince the public they care. Marian gets a bad rep for doing exactly what all the other NCAA schools do when they can, look for any loopholes to get non-qualifiers in and sit them for a year. No difference between Marian and rest of D-2 schools in that respect.

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