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    Don't read too much into West Chester's loss to Notre Dame on Friday. West Chester held Malik Jackson, last season's PSAC East Freshman of the Year, out of the game for "disciplinary" reasons. Jackson looked pretty good against West Liberty with 23 points. The Rams struggled with the pace, as many teams do early in the season, and were in foul trouble most of the night but they played hard and made some shots. Would not be surprised to see them back in the regional. Good team and good coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timbertopper View Post
    Don't read too much into West Chester's loss to Notre Dame on Friday. West Chester held Malik Jackson, last season's PSAC East Freshman of the Year, out of the game for "disciplinary" reasons. Jackson looked pretty good against West Liberty with 23 points. The Rams struggled with the pace, as many teams do early in the season, and were in foul trouble most of the night but they played hard and made some shots. Would not be surprised to see them back in the regional. Good team and good coach.
    Second game of the year and already being held out for disciplinary reasons?? Not a good way to start!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    Second game of the year and already being held out for disciplinary reasons?? Not a good way to start!!
    Boat, Malik Jackson did play vs WL in the 2nd game...he was held out of West Chester's first game on Friday...Presumably something he did in the offseason or preseason...

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    Malik is a real nice player (and only a true sophomore). I think that's going to be a real good team come Jan-Feb. They have a lot of new faces blending together. Lots of talent. I look for them to win the PSAC East.

    Some nice games tonight. Findlay at Fairmont ... Bowie at Indiana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    Malik is a real nice player (and only a true sophomore). I think that's going to be a real good team come Jan-Feb. They have a lot of new faces blending together. Lots of talent. I look for them to win the PSAC East.

    Some nice games tonight. Findlay at Fairmont ... Bowie at Indiana.
    Agreed on all fronts..West Chester is going to be good...Good guard play, can shoot 3's, and BIG underneath. Not as familiar with PSAC East teams this year, but would like to see the team that beats them. I was at the WL / WC game..and they are an athletic, big bunch. Impressed...

    Also tonight is the night I wish I could watch those two games on "ESPN D2" (a man can wish, right). There's enough other iterations of ESPN out there, they probably just haven't figured out a way to monetize D2 games yet...

    Rumor was that Findlay took it to WL in a scrimmage, so will be interesting to see their result vs. everyone's favorite poor shooting team, Fairmont...

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    haha ... I actually heard Fairmont shot fairly well the other day.

    You should be at the KCAC tonight. Joe may be a home dog in Vegas ... that's pretty rare.

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    On tap tonight is D&E. Traditionally, D&E is not much of a challenge for the Toppers but the Senators did take Cal to OT before falling to them.

    I see D&E hanging close for the first half but fading down the stretch to lose by 25 in what will amount to a scrimmage for the Toppers.

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    Won't be close. Not sure why West Lib even scheduled these guys. One of the few games that won't be a sell out because people don't want to waste their time.

    West Lib by as many as they want. Could possibly win by 40.

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    It's WAY early to pass judgment, good or bad, on this years team but I will anyway:

    What I Like:

    Seven players averaging double figures.
    Eight players averaging 10+ minutes and our top minute getter at 26.5 PG.
    Eric Meineger looking like he will be the guy to step up (16 PPG average...692 shooting %).
    Dan Monteroso - If this is him "rusty," the future is bright (13.5 PPG...703 shooting %)
    Clay Gauillozet - True freshman has had two solid games off as the first man off the bench.
    Rebounding - Grossenbscher is leading the way but we have five guys averaging 4 per game.

    Don't like:

    3 pt shooting % - .375 ain't going to cut it.
    Grossenbacher at #2 in 3 pt attempts - He is our big and I'd prefer he spend more time inside.
    Too few offensive rebounds. Critical if we are going to shoot a lower than expected 3 pt %.
    Monteroso 0 for 2 from 3. I appreciate he is rusty and not wanting to force his shot, but we need him to take/make about 4 per game minimum.

    But on average, I'm pretty happy with what I've seen. Address the rough areas and we could be a very good team!

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    D&E kept it much closer than I expected.

    West Lib wins 87-74.

    Hoehn lead the way with 27 points. Dennis with 15, Grossenbacher with 15.

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    Nights like these are when we need an inside game. 33% from 3 pt range is not going to win you many games particularly when over half your shots are from 3. Our one "big" jacked SEVEN three point tries, made TWO and got ZERO offensive rebounds! On the year he has TWO rebounds on the offensive end. That just ain't going to work when we start playing big boy teams. Against almost any MEC opponent and this would have been a pretty convincing L.

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    Those games will happen ... wins are wins. At least the cold night comes with a weak opponent in town.

    Your attendance has been surprisingly low down there through three games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    Those games will happen ... wins are wins. At least the cold night comes with a weak opponent in town.

    Your attendance has been surprisingly low down there through three games.
    WLU traditionally seems to under reports attendance. You either go to the game or watch on TV and the see the "official" attendance and think "no way that is even close to accurate." I also note that the first two games were on a holiday weekend and D&E is also not a very big draw.

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    I agree, Westlib doesn't really draw much until the first conference game opener. It's a little sad, but Westlib nation has come to expect blowouts more often than not in the first few games, especially against teams picked to finish in the bottom half of their conferences. Our big man shooting 3's is not something new, it's just that he's not making as many as lets say a CJ Hester, but the lack of rebounding is quite alarming though. Monteroso is not a 3 point shooter, he's more of a slasher/creature, and I would be shocked if he took more than (3) three pointers per game, it's just not what he does. I am surprised at West Liberty's defense though...they have really tightened up on that end, so the days of them just trading baskets and attempting to outscore you might not be the total philosophy anymore. I think Crutch might be trying to turn his roster over a little to guys who can score but also lock you down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatcapt View Post
    Nights like these are when we need an inside game. 33% from 3 pt range is not going to win you many games particularly when over half your shots are from 3. Our one "big" jacked SEVEN three point tries, made TWO and got ZERO offensive rebounds! On the year he has TWO rebounds on the offensive end. That just ain't going to work when we start playing big boy teams. Against almost any MEC opponent and this would have been a pretty convincing L.
    33% translates to 50% for 2 pt. Goals, which isn't horrendous. Some areas for improvement imho:
    1. Need to pick up guys after a miss. D&e got too many wide open looks in transition for 3s.
    2. Need more offensive boards.
    3. I think Monterosa 3 pt. Shooting will improve now that he can focus on basketball. 3 pt shooting is affected by tight muscles as it demands great touch, more than shots around basket.
    4. When cold from outside, need to attack the basket and get fouled.


    Thought d&e had good players and an excellent game plan to shorten the game and play zone and hope for cold shooting from outside.

    Good learning experience that will help us in the future.

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    Bottom line is that we are 3-0. Crutch usually uses the early games as more a extended preseason rather than true games. Particulary this year because of so many changes, he is tinkering around with different line-up combinations to see who works best with who. I hope part of the tinkering is to focus our big on playing inside out. I'm not opposed to him taking a couple of 3 point shots (provided he's making most of them) but I would prefer that he be more attentive to offensive rebounding and scoring on put backs. Jump shooting teams by definition leave a lot of "trash" around the rim and Gross is our best option for cleaning that up.

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    Fairmont dominated Findlay who was picked to win southern division of gliac. In watching the game Fairmont looked like d1 team and Findlay was outclassed athletically. Will be a big challenge. But as usual Fairmont takes their share of wacky, selfish shots and bonehead plays, which has served us in good stead in the past.

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    Fairmont also gave up 97 points to Bowie compared to Bowie scoring just 67 at IUP.

    Granted, IUP is traditionally a strong defensive team but that's a big margin.

    The WL/FSU games last year were pretty tight as I recall despite WL sweeping. Fairmont has a good team. I'm looking forward to seeing them up here in about 30 days.

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    Tried to tune in for a bit ... WL feed was unwatchable.

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    2nd half i could finally tune in. Win by 22

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