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    Quote Originally Posted by JDonAB92 View Post
    David Shriver with 17 points and 5 rebounds for the North squad in the WV High School All-Star game.

    19 days left in the NCAA calendar year. It seems quiet right now. The question is: will there be any more movement of schools within local conferences? Shepherd and PSAC made their announcement official. There is a lot of bad blood it appears between MEC and Shepherd over this move, and not just by posters on a message board. MEC is down to 10 schools.
    I think the MEC really needs to make some moves soon. I don't anticipate NDC and UU sticking with them much longer. I would be surprised if they didn't offer AB a spot.

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    Fool me twice shame on me

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    Shepherd and Wise were able to get out of the MEC fast. I am assuming that they paid early exit fees. Wonder how many other schools would be able to join the MEC that fast if they have to pay early exit fees.

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    You mean from other conferences?

    I think G-MAC can manage travel cost with some smart scheduling and location sharing.

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    I am not an expert and won't claim to be one. I just have an opinion. But it is going to be harder and harder for a lot of the WV schools to compete at the regional level in NCAA D2. I enjoyed the NAIA days of the WVIAC. I know why the WVIAC went D2, but it has caused problems ever since. There is a lot more to going D2. We finished last in athletics in the G-MAC. I do think we have a great chance to win the G-MAC in men's basketball next season. Football will be improved but probably well below the top tier. But a lot of sports seem to be in a stagnant state at AB.

    If ABU is going to leave the G-MAC, then I would prefer Alderson Broaddus go back to NAIA. Not to re-live the days of the past, but simply because it is a better fit. I find it incredibly absurd that AB and WV Wesleyan don't play each other home-and-home in a lot of sports. The schools are less than 30 minutes apart. They are similar in makeup. There used to be a strong rivalry in a lot of sports. I know all the issues that occurred. We don't need to rehash that out. With all that said, I just feel that NAIA is the best route for AB if enough institutions would go along. If money is such an issue in Philippi, then we need to look at some other avenues.

    I think, personally, that AB, D&E, OVU, Bluefield State, Salem and WV Tech would be a nice fit together in a NAIA conference. The idea of Salem and Bluefield stay D2 independent gives little to no hope to their athletes other than Bluefield State's tennis program. That is six schools. Quite frankly, there are a lot of MEC schools that need to consider the same route of NAIA. I think WV State, Concord, Glenville State and WV Wesleyan need to strongly consider the move. But to compete in more sports, SOME of the MEC schools need to go that route. Having one successful program at the D2 level and having some other sports in your program go winless or win a few games really doesn't mean you are D2. Glenville State has a good women's basketball program. But their style really doesn't work once you hit the regional play of the NCAA tournament. Only one MEC school got a NCAA bid on the women's side. As good as their women's basketball was, GSC went winless in volleyball.. Piece those schools together and have a NAIA conference of 9 to 10 members and be more competitive in a lot of sports. I would even try to slap the WVIAC tag back on the conference. Add Rio Grande if you want.

    I know someone will say....well you don't have enough football schools. It works if your football join the Mid South as an affiliate as a lot of schools do. The Mid South Athletic Conference runs a football conference with three-tiered divisions. You just simply go with that for football and lineup and play the Pikevilles, Bluefield (VA), Union KY, Georgetown KY, etc, etc. If you have ABU, WVW, GSC, State and Concord, then you fill out the necessary football schedule. This is how they have it aligned:

    http://www.mid-southconference.org/full-standings/16/14

    Some of the MEC schools won't want that, and I understand. But I could point to at least 4 that haven't been having great success in D2. One or two NCAA playoff bids in basketball, for instance, in 26 years of D2 is not that great of a showing for some of these schools. Same can be said for football.....finally get a bid and get housed in the first round of the playoffs. Some of the MEC schools will want to stay D2. Fine. I just think someone needs to sit down with some of the schools, have a reality-check talk, and discuss direction you want to lay at. You could save money on travel for all schools and have a very competitive NAIA conference.

    A lot of people will knock this. That is fine. I just don't think there is any thing wrong with NAIA. It has evolved since 1996. Some of the rules/regulations/requirements aren't as stringent as NCAA. I think a lot of the WV schools that are currently D2 mirror NAIA much more. Some of us fit better with Bluefield VA, Pikeville, Rio Grande, Union KY, etc. I feel very strongly about this.

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    I think NAIA does make sense for many schools. I am not sure who to blame. NCAA is so poorly managed and has head up their a-- on so many issues. They are a major part of the problem. Tittle IX cost a ton of wasted of money. It needs to be looked at and adjusted.

    If a number of schools do not go NAIA it too is in trouble.

    I think good fair reasonable streaming could bring in money for G-MAC schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looking For 9 View Post
    You mean from other conferences?

    I think G-MAC can manage travel cost with some smart scheduling and location sharing.
    Yes, I meant if they had to pay early exit fees from other conferences to join the MEC sooner rather than later. Also, there is certainly nothing wrong with going to the NAIA but there are a lot of people who view that as a step down. I don't, we enjoyed our time in the NAIA and we didn't really give a crap what other people thought about it.

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    There are very nice "G-MACish" NAIA conferences in IN and KY. The strength and solidarity of those conferences is what is boxing the G-MAC in on the southern and western borders - which is not helping KWC and TNU (admittedly, I think that the KY solidarity would have broken if G-town hadn't been twice-rejected by the NCAA).

    My only real beef with the NAIA is that it lacks national recognition and specifically, does not exist in the northeastern part of the country. Coming from PA, I quickly got tired of explaining what NAIA was to people. If you didn't explain it, they assumed it was an intermural league or a junior college situation. Inevitably, I would need to reference the NCAA in order explain what it was - making it feel very much like a knock-off brand.

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    NAIA is a step down. I stepped down from a BMW to a KIA. I get to the same places in the same time with the same radio, gts, cruise control, heated seats, etc and can not remember why it is a step down except for the cost.

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    There is a lot of bad blood it appears between MEC and Shepherd over this move, and not just by posters on a message board. MEC is down to 10 schools.
    The MEC tone with Shepherd is noticeably different that it was just a few weeks ago with UVA-Wise. Theories:

    1) you have higher expectations from "family" than you do from new acquaintances.
    2) could have the Shepherd move given FSU cold feet?
    3) I would think that this makes eastern expansion more difficult overall (as Shepherd would have been the closest school by a decent margin to potential eastern targets.) Meanwhile, the MEC is boxed in by the PSAC to the north and the G-MAC to the west.

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    Most people only know the D-I teams and tournaments. D-2 status just carries the NCAA banner for you. I doubt most sports fans could name the last 3 schools to win the men's national championship in D2 basketball. Most don't know who won it this past year.

    It isn't a step down if your athletic program has more success. I firmly feel that. Salem and Bluefield State are pretty much cannon fodder for D2 schools that have money and can pay Salem or Bluefield State to come play a game at their place. Would Salem having some success in a NAIA conference be any worse than they have it right now? Or Bluefield State? Or Ohio Valley? Or Davis & Elkins? Or AB? Yes, Ohio Valley got a couple of NCAA bids in soccer. But for the most part, their athletic program is pretty irrelevant. It appears they hit a right chord with that hire for their soccer teams. WV Wesleyan hasn't had a winning season in football since the start of the MEC. Slightly better results in men's basketball.

    I guess my point is that you have options: (1) stick D2 and be irrelevant at that level or (2) go NAIA with a chance to have more success for your athletic teams. Back when I was in school, AB made the men's soccer national championship game and if memory serves me correctly, WV Wesleyan won a national championship during that era. Now it seems both programs hover around .500 in that sport.
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    I personally feel the Shepherd angst comes from the fact that they were one of the big pushers of forming a sports conference with schools that only had football. For instance, UC, WV State and WV Wesleyan wanted to preserve the WVIAC. They just didn't have enough football-playing schools to hold that concept down. I feel that the MEC was a big push by the WV state schools to form a conference that contained football-playing members only. I still think Frostburg State goes to the MEC. That puts them in closer distance to a lot of the MEC schools compared to their current D3 conference which is dwindling each year. I feel MEC schools and leadership feel Shepherd "betrayed" them by leaving. But we live in a world where you have to do what is best for you. Those schools in the MEC didn't mind leaving some charter members of the WVIAC out to dry. Sometimes you get a little taste of your own medicine and it doesn't taste like you want it to.

    I just think certain MEC schools need to start thinking for themselves and not this "owe it to some other school" feeling. WV Wesleyan had some success in athletics this past year. But in football = 5-6. Men's basketball = 7-22. Women's basketball = 8-20. Baseball = 11-36. Volleyball = 12-20. Lacrosse = 6-8-1. I give them their due to their soccer teams and to softball. Quality seasons and softball is always strong there. It was their first NCAA bid in men's soccer as a member of the MEC.

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    WV Wesleyan and Alderson Broaddus were big rivals for years....going back to the 1930s. ABU, Wesleyan and D&E were all in the first ever WVIAC tournament held in 1935. After the conference tournament took a break after World War II, AB and Wesleyan were in the WVIAC championship game in both 1946 & 1947....A-B winning one and Wesleyan winning one. ABU and WV Wesleyan are 20 miles apart. Yet we rarely play each other. ABU travels 525 miles ONE WAY to play Trevecca Nazarene in sports. Wesleyan traveled over 5 hours one way to play UVA-Wise and almost as far to play Urbana.

    This stuff is utter non-sense. Alderson Broaddus won 10 WVIAC tournament titles in men's basketball. WV Wesleyan won 9 WVIAC tournament titles in men's basketball.

    There were 76 WVIAC tournaments in men's basketball. Alderson-Broaddus appeared in 20 of those WVIAC championship games. That is once every four years. WV Wesleyan appeared in 13 of those championship games.

    20 miles apart......not playing each other. History, tradition, rivalries. What is this?!?!!?

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    I think WV Wesleyan needs to re-think their position. They have a fine school down there. But has NCAA D2 been that good to them?

    WV Wesleyan's basketball team had great success in the NAIA national tournament in the 1980s. In 1983, WV Wesleyan lost in the National Championship game by 4 points to the College of Charleston. There were some recognizable names in the 32-team field: Liberty, Saginaw Valley State, Chicago State, Drury, St Thomas Aquinas, Carson Newman, etc. In 1984, Wesleyan was the #1 seed in the 32-team field. They won the first game by 40 points, won the second round by 21 points before being upset in the Elite Eight by one of the Wisconsin schools.In 1985, Wesleyan advanced to the Elite Eight again after beating Quincy by 20, Rio Grande by 16 before losing by one point to Central Washington in the Elite 8. Let's not forget that WV State advanced to the national title game in 1987. And don't forget that A-B Hall of Famer Tim Brinkley took WV Tech out to Kansas City and lost by one point in the first round to the #1 seed. That Tech team had Sedale Threatt who played over 10 years in the NBA. He had a nice career and Brinkley did a good job in finding him in Atlanta, GA.

    WV Wesleyan also had great success in men's soccer in the NAIA. WV Wesleyan won national championships in 1984, 1985, 1989, 1990 and 1994. A-B lost in the title game in 1988. Davis & Elkins won 1 national championship in men's soccer and one runner up.

    The NAIA days were fun.We could go 24-5 next year in men's basketball and not make the field. Wouldn't that be great!

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    BTW - the NAIA will move to a single division for both men's and women's basketball in 2020-21, with a maximum limit of 8 scholarships. (Not that I want you guys going anywhere)

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    I saw that recently. That is about what we offer in basketball now. We have never been fully-funded in D-II. I think Steve Dodd was the men's basketball coach with the most basketball scholarships. I know he said that moving from NAIA to D-II was the reason he left to take the head coaching job at Lindsey Wilson back in the mid 90s.

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    I wrote a lengthy piece on the possibility of a reformed NAIA WVIAC. It is hypothetical and opinion of one man and one alumni. Sports are good for dialogue and opinions. I love my school. I just want what I feel eventually is best and realistic for Alderson-Broaddus. And yes I used the hyphen....that is the school on my diploma:

    http://battlerbeat.blogspot.com/2018...k-as-naia.html

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    I wrote a lengthy piece on the possibility of a reformed NAIA WVIAC. It is hypothetical and opinion of one man and one alumni. Sports are good for dialogue and opinions. I love my school. I just want what I feel eventually is best and realistic for Alderson-Broaddus. And yes I used the hyphen....that is the school on my diploma:

    http://battlerbeat.blogspot.com/2018...k-as-naia.html
    Great read and very good ideas, have you run this by any of the mentioned schools?

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    No. It is just an idea of mine. I have enjoyed D2. The 9 NCAA tournaments in basketball and 2 regional finals were nice runs for us. We have a great chance to make the field next year. I appreciate the work of our coaches. I honestly have to say that the whole breakup of the WVIAC has perplexed me, and I get a lot of what happened. But I am wondering now if a lot of schools are starting to question a lot of things. I am just looking down the road and think NAIA is not a terrible path. I like the G-MAC.

    I am sensing from messages I am getting in other venues that some recruiting news is going to break. I always wait for the official word.

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